Connor Bedard is -84 throughout two seasons…Worst in the NHL

[BHawk21]

Hawk fans have consistently told everyone to temper expectations. From day 1 basically. But I don't think Celebrini was ever expected to average a point per game and be a name swirling in the scoring title race by his sophomore campaign like Bedard was. Before the draft lottery I think a lot of people would be expecting Bedard north of 40 goals in both of his first 2 seasons.

Sure. dont know what that has to do with anything except the expectations were higher for Bedard then Celebrini..

 

[thebeernerd]

Not his fault he's the most prominent player on a team that's a dog's ass.

 

[BHawk21]

The Sharks, for being a really bad team, have lost a surprisingly high number of one goal games (47 this season if AI can be trusted). I don’t follow the Hawks so I have no idea if Bedard is in a similar position, but Celebrini’s +- has suffered greatly as a result of empty net goals against.

Hes a -32 in two years in empty net situations +1 for and -33 against.... I would guess thats the highest of any player. Im not saying thats a good thing just adds a bit of context.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Sure. dont know what that has to do with anything except the expectations were higher for Bedard then Celebrini..

Well. Yeah. I haven't been hearing about Celebrini for the last 6/7 something years. In 2018 HF was already talking about this young potential prodigy who was destroying the Vancouver bantam leagues. It was consistently said "Keep an eye on Bedard. He can become the best prospect since McDavid. Time will tell. Let's see if he keeps it up. If he does then holy shit" I mean.... if that isn't EXACTLY what Bedard did in the WHL then idk what to say, hoss.

MacKinnon, Tavares, McDavid and Bedard are the guys who had hype in the stratosphere. Hell. Victor Hedman and Adam Larsson alone had more hype than Celebrini. Celebrini could duplicate Bedard's first 2 years and most people would call it a success because he's on a bad Sharks team.

Bedard has a double standard whether it's deserved or not

 

[BHawk21]

Well. Yeah. I haven't been hearing about Celebrini for the last 6/7 something years. In 2018 HF was already talking about this young potential prodigy who was destroying the Vancouver bantam leagues. It was consistently said "Keep an eye on Bedard. He can become the best prospect since McDavid. Time will tell. Let's see if he keeps it up. If he does then holy shit" I mean.... if that isn't EXACTLY what Bedard did in the WHL then idk what to say, hoss.

MacKinnon, Tavares, McDavid and Bedard are the guys who had hype in the stratosphere. Hell. Victor Hedman and Adam Larsson alone had more hype than Celebrini. Celebrini could duplicate Bedard's first 2 years and most people would call it a success because he's on a bad Sharks team.

Bedard has a double standard whether it's deserved or not

Yes. Sure. All of this is true. Not sure why you are telling me it.

 

[Ignatius]

Connor Busthard

 

[Ezpz]

What's that in metric for us normal people around the entire world except Burma and USA?

 

[PM88RU]

Never actually understood how a three-time SC champion team in a post-cap era could end up having no veteran presence at all?

Why did they sell Kane? Wasn’t he ready to share his experience and mentor the kid?

Jumbo Joe teaches Celebrini life and hockey. In San Jose that hasn’t had a Cup at all. And he succeeds, eventually.

Not every star is capable to carry the team on the shoulders and create a winning culture without help. It’s rare. Most players need mentoring.

Seems like a poor management indeed.

 

[thomast]

He's jacked af which gives me more reason to believe in him because he has the physical tools to be a superstar

I don’t think higher weight distribution on upper body helps with balance. Bedard seem to have good amount of his weight on upper body, which mean higher center of gravity. Crosby is mainly lower body, and has generational balance.

 

[Coffey]

Crosby is mainly lower body, and has generational balance.

I can tell you has generational unbalance.

Taylor Hall.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Bring him home.

 

[HaNotsri]

Never actually understood how a three-time SC champion team in a post-cap era could end up having no veteran presence at all?

Why did they sell Kane? Wasn’t he ready to share his experience and mentor the kid?

Jumbo Joe teaches Celebrini life and hockey. In San Jose that hasn’t had a Cup at all. And he succeeds, eventually.

Not every star is capable to carry the team on the shoulders and create a winning culture without help. It’s rare. Most players need mentoring.

Seems like a poor management indeed.

They are using the buffalo sabres second rebuild as a model

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He's jacked af which gives me more reason to believe in him because he has the physical tools to be a superstar

The fact that he's already extremely filled out is actually not great news for him. If he was a beanpole you could say he needs to add weight, but I'm not sure he could really put on any more mass without sacrificing his skating, which is already a weakness.

 

[NVious]

The fact that he's already extremely filled out is actually not great news for him. If he was a beanpole you could say he needs to add weight, but I'm not sure he could really put on any more mass without sacrificing his skating, which is already a weakness.

I think it's a positive point tbh, yes what you are saying is true to an extent, but it also showcases his Godlike work ethic. Don't underrate man strength and experience either, yes he is filled but he's not even done growing nor does his endocrine system have decades of producing the hormones he needs to compete at the highest level. His body and mind will continue to mature and even from a physiological standpoint, the peak is in his mid twenties.

Bedard is somebody who has dominated every level he has played at and his love of Hockey/obsession with it is well documented.

Yes pure hockey IQ can't be taught, but it's not like that is something he has a history of struggling with. Personally I'm always going to bet on talent+passion.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think it's a positive point tbh, yes what you are saying is true to an extent, but it also showcases his Godlike work ethic.

Bedard is somebody who has dominated every level he has played at and his love of Hockey/obsession with it is well documented.

Yes pure hockey IQ can't be taught, but it's not like that is something he has a history of struggling with. Personally I'm always going to bet on talent+passion.

The passion is there, but I doubt the natural athletic talent. He's got talent in his hands and brain for sure, but his lack of size and raw athletic ability is something that might limit his upside.

 

[PM88RU]

The passion is there, but I doubt the natural athletic talent. He's got talent in his hands and brain for sure, but his lack of size and raw athletic ability is something that might limit his upside.

Ability to work on your weaknesses and use your strengths in the best possible way is what separates the greatest athletes from the common “middle” ones.

Jagr, Crosby, Ovi, MacKinnon and many other players are well known for their trainings and adaptations.

Ok, you’re a skinny one. Take Kuch as example, ice the rink at your garage in the summer and train hard.

Talent is 5%, 95% are the hard efforts to develop it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ability to work on your weaknesses and use your strengths in the best possible way is what separates the greatest athletes from the common “middle” ones.

Jagr, Crosby, Ovi, MacKinnon and many other players are well known for their trainings and adaptations.

Ok, you’re a skinny one. Take Kuch as example, ice the rink at your garage in the summer and train hard.

Talent is 5%, 95% are the hard efforts to develop it.

And all those guys had elite athletic attributes too.

Obviously the obsessive effort is hugely important, and it's why he's gotten to where he's at. But that's just not enough, you have to have elite athletic abilities as well.

 

[surixon]

And all those guys had elite athletic attributes too.

Obviously the obsessive effort is hugely important, and it's why he's gotten to where he's at. But that's just not enough, you have to have elite athletic abilities as well.

That's a bit of a myth. A guy like Gretzky dominated the game like no other without elite athletic attributes.

I maintain that athleticism is the most overrated trait in a hockey player. It does nothing without the smarts and skill to back it up.

 

[Straight Fire]

One of the reasons I re-subscribed to NHLcentreice 2 years ago was to watch Bedard. I watched some of his games but by the midpoint to end of the season I wasn't watching any. I don't think I watched one Hawk game through this season. He's still young but IMO not nearly as exciting and impactful as other superstars I can't see his generational talent tag sticking. Star to superstar maybe at this point seems to be the ceiling and that could drop to just star.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That's a bit of a myth. A guy like Gretzky dominated the game like no other without elite athletic attributes.

The 80s were a completely different game. Guys straight up didn't even backcheck. There's more space in the modern WHL than there was in the 1980s NHL.

I maintain that athleticism is the most overrated trait in a hockey player. It does nothing without the smarts and skill to back it up.

You absolutely need IQ, but if you're small, slow, and weak, you just won't be able to create enough time and space for yourself to take advantage of it.

 

[rebuildorbust]

Hawks should trade for Byfield and put Bedard on his wing those two would fly together

 

[NVious]

The passion is there, but I doubt the natural athletic talent. He's got talent in his hands and brain for sure, but his lack of size and raw athletic ability is something that might limit his upside.

His physique is insane for a 19 year old (pic I believe was 17), that's Godly genetics.

To me he follows a Mack trajectory more than he follows a Yakupov trajectory.

As far as size goes, this guy dominates the NHL year after year:

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

His physique is insane for a 19 year old (pic I believe was 17), that's Godly genetics.

To me he follows a Mack trajectory more than he follows a Yakupov trajectory.

I think a Kane trajectory is much more likely. Mackinnon had the trajectory he had because of his athleticism.

As far as size goes, this guy dominates the NHL year after year:

Marner is a much better skater than Bedard. But I could definitely see Bedard becoming an elite scoring winger in that mold if he matures his game.

 

[surixon]

The 80s were a completely different game. Guys straight up didn't even backcheck. There's more space in the modern WHL than there was in the 1980s NHL.

You absolutely need IQ, but if you're small, slow, and weak, you just won't be able to create enough time and space for yourself to take advantage of it.

Kucherov, Panarin, and Marner have absolutely no issue creating time and space. None of them are burners nor are they physically imposing. Sam Reinhardt and Aho are other top players one who fit that category.

 

[The Panther]

+/- is meaningless.

It's not meaningless at all, no. It has a very specfic, simple, and interesting meaning.

It's also the oldest "advanced" stat in hockey existence (which kind of proves its usefulness), and thus is very important and deserves respect.

Like ALL stats (incl. points and wins), it describes a very specific measurement and thus needs to be understood in its context, BUT it is quite useful and meaningful.