Confirmed- play-in counts as playoff stats, do you see any records falling?

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Why not? When the playoffs expanded initially from 2 rounds, the records all fell from extra games, but they were still the new records. Leach's 19 goal playoff came when the playoffs had a best of 3 preliminary round where his Flyers ended up with a bye, so they only played in 3 rounds, and Kurri's came in 4 rounds, but a best of 5 first round, but Kurri is still the co-holder. Context will always be needed for records, but it shouldn't stop the records from falling. Just as scoring 200 points in the regular season today would be better than anything Gretzky did, but wouldn't get your name on the regular season scoring record.

100% agreed but I think the counterargument would be if Kurri tied the record and then the format went back to the old format, would it still be viewed the same?

 

[thedustman]

I'm not advocating for this, but it would be a reasonable argument to make that the play-in stats count because teams are eliminated from Stanley Cup contention during those games, while the seeding round robin stats do not count because teams are not eliminated.

Wow. Yeah, I follow the logic here. In this case however, another reasonable argument could be made that some teams get an extra series worth of stats. I think the stats of an eliminated team are less important than the stats of a team that is still in the playoffs. Why would stats only count against a team that is eliminated? Even the eliminated team’s stats count.

 

[jetsforever]

Hopefully no one breaks them this year, it's not really fair (although it obviously doesn't really matter).

 

[GrkFlyersFan]

I'm cool with the stats counting as playoff stats, and even the inconsistency as conditional picks will be contingent on winning your play-in. In my book, 24 teams have made the playoffs.

 

[bobholly39]

I've always felt that the most goals record - at 19 - wasn't as impressive as you'd think. You'd have thought Gretzky or Lemieux would have scored more in the 80s. So - that's within reach. I think the extra games could help. it's still a long shot, but i'll be optimistic and hopefully someone has a great run and breaks it (my personal choice would be Drouin - but Crosby is acceptable too)

Most goalie wins - 16. It'd be kind of sad if no one breaks it lol. But you never know - maybe both teams who go to finals split goalies during run and miss it.

As for 47 points - to be honest, it's possible. I expect any of Kucherov, Drai or McDavid had runs in the past 2 seasons of scoring more than 47 points in ~30 games. So players even in today's league can score at those rates. (in comparison - 215 points is completely impossible today). So - while it's possible - it's still such a huge number i doubt it breaks anytime soon - it's just not impossible.

So 16 goalie wins, yes will be broken.
Most goals at 19 - probably not, but possible.
Most points - nope

 

[Muikea Bulju]

Whaaat? Why would the play-in stats count but not the seeding round robin stats for the top four seeds? That’d be dumb

The play-in rounds do not count either. The OP was fake news from ESPN. ESPN deos not know anything about hockey.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

The play-in rounds do not count either. The OP was fake news from ESPN. ESPN deos not know anything about hockey.

Lmao this is why I have always hated the idiotic fake news line. Give me a source. You can't reply to any quote you don't like stating fake news without any counter.

 

[Nineteen67]

Why does the NHL give ESPN any firsthand information before the rights holders? They’d be the last group I’d call.

 

[al secord]

19 goals?

Auston Matthews: "Hold my cerveza."

 

[StreetHawk]

Shouldn't these play in stats, along with the seeding stats be counted as Regular season stats? It would keep it consistent with the fact that the NHL says that for trades based on playoff conditions, only the teams that win the play in round are considered playoff teams for Playoff Trade Conditions, while those that lose in the Play in round, are considered non-playoff teams for trade purposes.

 

[GrkFlyersFan]

The play-in rounds do not count either. The OP was fake news from ESPN. ESPN deos not know anything about hockey.

Another source said it too, citing Bill Daly

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Who cares to be honest. No-one in their right mind will take any new record seriously, if an extra 3-5 games were utilized to get into the playoffs in the first place.

Example: McDavid scores 5 goals in 4 games against the Hawks (a team that normally wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs), and then ultimately finishes the playoffs with 20 goals. No-one with more than half a brain would truly consider that the record.

You're severely underestimating the idiocy of the real homers on this site. People may agree with you until their favourite player breaks a record.

 

[Reindl87]

That Goal record Looks suprisingly Low. Of all the relevant individual NHl record I think this IS by far the one that can realstically be broken.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

I still say no records fall except for maybe goalie wins

 

[TheImpatientBoomer]

I get that the play in stats count for the bubble teams but what about the seeding games being played under regulation rules by the top 4 teams?

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

I get that the play in stats count for the bubble teams but what about the seeding games being played under regulation rules by the top 4 teams?

I believe they do as well, as far as I can see no one has said differently.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This is really dumb.

1.) you can’t have it both ways. These stats can’t be playoff stats, and then say teams didn’t qualify for the playoffs.

2.) bonuses are based on regular season. Can’t just cut off the regular season, lose millions in bonuses and then just “whoops now these are playoff games” players will fight it

I think bonuses only count for ELC or players over 35

 

[um]

NHL stats have always been goofy and inconsistent. 5 more games is far less substantial than goalies equipment becoming 2 times bigger over the years.

Not to mention more teams, higher % of playoff teams, more nationalities, more games, bigger rosters, new positions (rover), higher/lower scoring eras, different rules, calling the games differently (hooking), etc.

All in all who cares, just compare players to their peers.

 

[Rebels57]

19 goals in 16 Playoff games for Leach in 76

People do not talk about how ridiculous this is enough

 

[robertmac43]

Didn't realize they switched this, originally it was not going to count, correct?

 

[OscarsCards]

I wasn't going to put an asterisk beside the winner of any Covid-cup, but I am absolutely going to put an asterisk beside any stats where someone had extra games.

Like what asterisks?

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Is it so hard to just count these round robin and play in rounds as regular season stats? I mean its not really the playoffs yet so just call it what it is.

 

[rojac]

NHL stats have always been goofy and inconsistent. 5 more games is far less substantial than goalies equipment becoming 2 times bigger over the years.

Not to mention more teams, higher % of playoff teams, more nationalities, more games, bigger rosters, new positions (rover), higher/lower scoring eras, different rules, calling the games differently (hooking), etc.

All in all who cares, just compare players to their peers.

I think that holds true for all sports leagues not just the NHL.

 

[um]

I think that holds true for all sports leagues not just the NHL.

I agree. To be a “hardcore” fan you need to know context.

Hockey fans will know about the extra games from this playoffs, but it’s not an asterisk. Just like playing the 16th best team in a 20 team league wasn’t an asterisk back then.

NHL Stats are flawed but they still count.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Is it so hard to just count these round robin and play in rounds as regular season stats? I mean its not really the playoffs yet so just call it what it is.

They can't be regular season stats as they've already announced the regular season has concluded and given out the awards. I'm just unclear 100% on if the seeding games count.