So you can walk over to a player on the ground 3 seconds after the whistle, rip at the ball, stand over and taunt him....no penalty, except to the other team.
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Dreghorn2
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Don't have a dog in the fight here, but i don't remember a co-ordinator with as much universal acknowledgement as Ben Johnson to being a premier hire as a head coach.
Lots of good young coaches have entered the league and head coaching ranks in the last few years but Johnson has more 'buzz' about him than any i can remember.
Being an integral part of what Detroits' been doing, seeing how the culture was built under Campbell, the drafting and trades process under GM Holmes. rebuilding Jared Goff (btw do people know that Goff's body can't process meat, he has an enzyme deficiency, he can't break down protein), building a physical run first offense that led the league in TDs this year (70!), his multiple high end degrees in CS and math etc..
A very attractive resume. i mentioned in an earlier post that i was surprised he interviewed with the Patriots.
Does any of this mean he is a lock to be a great head coach, nope, but i think because he was an option here in New England he and Vrabel's next few years are going to be very interesting to watch.
DKH
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I watch NFL Network shows everyday and listen to 4-5 local and National podcasts and people I respect have said this. His dad Ron Wolf was excellent football mind and lot of people respect him from Greg Cosell to Mike Tannenbaum to Scott Pioli to Daniel Jeremiah……
He’s super respected in the football world. Talk show hosts and fans don’t seem to like him.
Dreghorn2
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Not to be a jerk Brad, an i apologize for quoting you twice, but no ones offense is set up for weak armed QBs or strong armed ones etc..
KesselBuiltMyHotrod
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Wolf was an integral part of the franchise falling apart. Cleaning house would've been better than forcing him on Vrabel but I guess Kraft can't fire all his buddies.
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Even before that happened, Hollins flexed over Mims while not letting him get up after the hit. It was great play by Hollins and the celebrating doesn't bother me. The flexing over him is corny and has been called for taunting every other time I've seen that happen in a game. The long snapper is a complete clown for the entire interaction after that and the refs are even bigger clowns.
GloryDaze4877
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Except it was Belichick, not Kraft that was responsible for doing this stuff. Under Bill, the Pats typically had one of the smaller staffs in the NFL. The rumor was that he was given X amount for the coaching staff salaries and any extra went back to him.
Unsure if that is true or it was just BB’s dislike of coaches outside his circle of trust? Either way, he was the one that brought Patricia and Judge back while they were still being paid by other organizations. Followed that up by not giving them titles (so they retained their HC salaries) and assigning them to positions they had no experience coaching.
True, Coen, Klingsbury and J. Brady would have good candidates as well, but yeah Johnson I think could have helped Maye and the offense a lot.
DKH
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although I wanted McConkey and discussed this with Lou & Joe about it last April if he’s a slot or not; I also was very impressed with Polk at Washington
I would have had no problem drafting Polk and they did. I liked the pick a lot. I taped M-F Path to the Draft, studied Dane Brugler’s The Draft Beast in the Athletic, and digested all the draft podcasts from Fly Eagles Fly, Moving the Sticks, Perry etc. …
I’m also not giving up on him and expect a 180 change next season on Polk
So for me to say Wolf sucks would be like me admitting I suck - which anyone who ever has ever been around me knows I’m awesome
Not a Pats fan, but I like this hire. It’s not so much whether or not he will bring them to the next level (not sure what that means….Super Bowl or just playoffs)?). For me, it’s more about stopping the rot, establishing a culture, and getting back to just playing sound, physical football. He’ll get that foundation set, and then you can go from there….
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The insufferability of this postI watch NFL Network shows everyday and listen to 4-5 local and National podcasts and people I respect have said this. His dad Ron Wolf was excellent football mind and lot of people respect him from Greg Cosell to Mike Tannenbaum to Scott Pioli to Daniel Jeremiah……
He’s super respected in the football world. Talk show hosts and fans don’t seem to like him.
As if nobody else has access to this stuff
Wolf had a terrible first year. That is not even a debate.
EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
I watch NFL Network shows everyday and listen to 4-5 local and National podcasts and people I respect have said this. His dad Ron Wolf was excellent football mind and lot of people respect him from Greg Cosell to Mike Tannenbaum to Scott Pioli to Daniel Jeremiah……
He’s super respected in the football world. Talk show hosts and fans don’t seem to like him.
What has he actually done for fans to like him?
DKH
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Maye was A+
Milton clearly looks worth the pick
Wallace & Robinson struggled but let’s see how they look with better coaching
ask me again next January
They don’t like him. Fans rarely like anyone though
Donnie Shulzhoffer
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DKH
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Fantastic!!!!!
Let’s go!!!!
GloryDaze4877
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I’m sitting and watching the game with Dan and am reading him some of the responses to his posts. He laughed and asked me to ask how Johnnie and Donnie are doing.
I think it’s a calculated risk to keep Wolf on when Vrabel is going to bring Cowden in as well, but the flip side is that I want as many good “football people” in the organization as possible. You want people to challenge one another and to give differing opinions. As long as people are clear that there is one person that has final say, it can work.
One of the biggest issues the last few years and this year in particular was that Belichick had his fingers in everything going on, influenced everything and had final say. He was a unicorn. I want the Pats to model themselves after PHI, BAL, LAR, etc., and build out the staff with more scouts, stats people and coaches. Teams need that infrastructure to be successful imo.
Wolf did not have a good first draft outside of Maye (although I hate judging any draft less than a year later). He does seem to be very well respected around the league and liked by many draft people and analysts.
As far as the fans go. I find most New England fans (particularly the younger ones) to be very entitled and reactionary. I could care less if the fans like Wolf as long as he brings something to the table behind the scenes.
I think it’s a calculated risk to keep Wolf on when Vrabel is going to bring Cowden in as well, but the flip side is that I want as many good “football people” in the organization as possible. You want people to challenge one another and to give differing opinions. As long as people are clear that there is one person that has final say, it can work.
One of the biggest issues the last few years and this year in particular was that Belichick had his fingers in everything going on, influenced everything and had final say. He was a unicorn. I want the Pats to model themselves after PHI, BAL, LAR, etc., and build out the staff with more scouts, stats people and coaches. Teams need that infrastructure to be successful imo.
Wolf did not have a good first draft outside of Maye (although I hate judging any draft less than a year later). He does seem to be very well respected around the league and liked by many draft people and analysts.
As far as the fans go. I find most New England fans (particularly the younger ones) to be very entitled and reactionary. I could care less if the fans like Wolf as long as he brings something to the table behind the scenes.
Troublesome 85
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Just feels like the same old same old they hasitily rushed the interviews just to bring in someone familiar.
Id love someone outside the organization with fresh ideas and takes
Id love someone outside the organization with fresh ideas and takes
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HustleB
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I have longed for a Shanahan-Lynch, Belichick-Pioli style relationship. For that reason I was hoping the Pats would allow Vrabel to bring Cowden in as a GM. I don't hate Wolf but was disappointed in the returns on our draft beyond Maye. I do think someone correctly added Milton as well and he certainly did look good. But the WRs and OLs looked way over there head and that was scary when guys have been making an impact in their rookie year.
Like others I give the picks and Elliot more time but it’s a big year for all of them.
Like others I give the picks and Elliot more time but it’s a big year for all of them.
DKH
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Looks like
Vrabel HC
Cowden GM
McDaniels OC
AVP QB Coach
Saleh DC
let’s go!!!!!
Vrabel HC
Cowden GM
McDaniels OC
AVP QB Coach
Saleh DC
let’s go!!!!!
DKH
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Like Vrabel going to go with two former head coaches as coordinators
McDaniels track record and familiarity make this decision the biggest no brainer on erfff
McDaniels track record and familiarity make this decision the biggest no brainer on erfff
rfournier103
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I mean, Vrabel was traded in 2009 and hasn’t been part of the organization in any capacity since. He coached in college and with the Texans before his head coaching job. He has literally nothing to do with Belichick’s coaching tree. He is from outside the organization
Maybe but I think most can handle a necessary, proper rebuild. What people rightfully can't accept is the complete dysfunctional incompetence we have seen since Tom Brady bolted.
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