Concerns Over Niagara IceDogs Ownership

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Things will never improve under the current owner. He needs to sell the team before the franchise completely falls apart.

What parent would want their kid playing in Niagara. Two years ago the league fined the team, suspended the owner from holding the GM position for two years, and banned two players after allegations of bullying.

This season three office staff employees, their equipment manager and a player have all quietly departed from the team. Now the OHL is conducting an investigation into the organizational culture of the Niagara IceDogs.

 
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Things will never improve under the current owner. He needs to sell the team before the franchise completely falls apart.

What parent would want their kid playing in Niagara. Two years ago the league fined the team, suspended the owner from holding the GM position for two years, and banned two players after allegations of bullying.

This season three office staff employees, their equipment manager and a player have all quietly departed from the team. Now the OHL is conducting an investigation into the organizational culture of the Niagara IceDogs.

And he’s still doing his GM duties just through a puppet
 
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Here is the latest on the investigation.

Niagara IceDogs under new investigation, ‘organizational culture’ probed by law firm - St. Catharines Standard

On the verge of their first playoff appearance in five seasons, the Niagara IceDogs franchise is under another dark cloud.

Ontario Hockey League confirmed Thursday it retained a Toronto law firm to investigate the “organizational culture” of the team following a series of complaints.

Multiple sources close to the IceDogs said the team’s owner, Darren DeDobbelaer, has been involved in game-day decisions, including setting lines, which impacts ice time for the players.

OHL suspended DeDobbelaer from the general manager’s role for two years after the end of the 2023 season following an incident involving IceDogs captain Landon Cato and goalie Joshua Rosenzweig, who were both permanently banned by the league. The league also fined the organization $100,000.

Reached by phone, DeDobbelaer directed the reporter to the league office and said “no comment” when asked if the league was investigating him for involvement in the team’s on-ice operations while suspended.

Multiple sources also said the league may be looking into an incident of sexual harassment — not involving DeDobbelaer — as well as player misbehaviour at a party that resulted in the “trashing” of a house.

Asked about those issues, DeDobbelaer also replied, “No comment.”

The OHL statement said the league has appointed director of player recruitment and player support services, Brodie Barrick, to work on site with and support team ownership, leadership and players on matters related to its Players First Program.

The program promotes the league’s post-secondary scholarships, on-ice development, player welfare and support systems, and diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives.

“The league takes these matters very seriously and has launched a third-party internal investigation into the allegations,” the statement emailed to The Standard said.

Former St. Catharines city councillor and IceDogs fan Lori Littleton took to Facebook with a post saying she had cancelled her season tickets — but would renew them if the league forces a team sale, adding it’s “time for the OHL to say enough’s enough.”

“I loved going to games, and the atmosphere was great,” Littleton wrote. “It was a lot of fun. Until it wasn’t.

“I have refused to renew my tickets, and this year, I forfeited my turn in my company’s box because I had heard rumblings. The team is again being investigated by the Ontario Hockey League and is basically getting babysat while a firm looks into its ‘culture.’

“Such a horrible thing for players and coaches and others involved with this franchise to deal with.”

Littleton, when asked about the Facebook post, said she hopes the team fixes its issues “so fans can have confidence in the team and the culture being fostered.”

The incident that resulted in DeDobbelaer’s suspension occurred in 2022.

At that time, commissioner David Branch advised DeDobbelaer that to protect the integrity of the process, the investigation was to be kept confidential, and he was not to speak with players or others concerning the subject matter.

During the 2021-22 regular season, general manager Joey Burke and head coach Billy Burke were suspended indefinitely for violating the league’s harassment, abuse and adversity policy,

The brothers, together with the team owned by their parents, were fined $150,000.

OHL imposed the sanctions after receiving transcripts of a March 6, 2022, WhatsApp conversation involving the head coach and general manager that contained offensive language.

The league said in a news release at the time that based on the results of its investigation, “it is the position of the league that their conduct is prejudicial to the welfare of the OHL as it violates the harassment, abuse and diversity policy.”

In 2019, OHL stripped the IceDogs of a first-round draft pick and fined the team $150,000 for player recruitment violations.

A former player had told OHL investigators the IceDogs had a secret “side deal” to pay him $10,000 for each of the four years he played for the team, but the IceDogs had reneged on the agreement.

The Burkes took the league to court seeking an interim injunction that would have stayed the disciplinary proceeding until a dispute between the team and the former player was arbitrated. Superior Court Justice James Ramsay denied the request.

The team also appealed the penalties to the league’s board of governors, which resulted in OHL reducing the fine from $250,000 and restoring one of the two first-round picks the team had been docked.

The team acknowledged violating the league’s player recruitment rules as part of the settlement.
 
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The investigation is going to confirm all the allegations mentioned above (and several others) to be true. There is no hiding (or deleting) what the investigation will uncover. The dark cloud over the organization will only get darker. What punishment will be levied to DD and the organization? Financial? 2025 1st round pick? What are the long-term consequences? Severed relationships with player agents, players, parents and staff? Recruitment issues? Dwindling fan base?
 
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In 2015-16, Rolf Nilsen in Flint was similarly forbidden to have any involvement in hockey operations. He quickly broke the terms of that undertaking and the league suspended him for 5 years, levied a $250K fine, and took away the Firebirds’ first rounder. Far as I know, he’s been a satisfactory owner since returning.

I would imagine a similar fate awaits the IceDogs’ owner if the investigation reveals the allegations are true.

Worth mentioning is that Nilsen is one of the wealthier owners in the league and seemed determined to ride out the 5-year suspension and then work to restore his reputation in the junior hockey world. Whether the IceDogs owner has the desire (and the cake) to do the same thing is something those who know more about him can speak to.

“Hockey culture” gets ripped all the time, and often for good reason. But “hockey ownership culture” is often just as big a problem. Fish tend to stink from the head down.
 
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The investigation is going to confirm all the allegations mentioned above (and several others) to be true. There is no hiding (or deleting) what the investigation will uncover. The dark cloud over the organization will only get darker. What punishment will be levied to DD and the organization? Financial? 2025 1st round pick? What are the long-term consequences? Severed relationships with player agents, players, parents and staff? Recruitment issues? Dwindling fan base?
I hope they don’t hit the franchise by stripping the 1st round pick. I hate that. It hurts the players and the fans more than the owner. Fine him, whatever but I hate punishing the fanbase and players. The Niagara fanbase, arena, area etc is one of the best in the league. They need to make moves to stabilize that and removing DD is the answer. Taking away draft picks is not.
 
The investigation is going to confirm all the allegations mentioned above (and several others) to be true. There is no hiding (or deleting) what the investigation will uncover. The dark cloud over the organization will only get darker. What punishment will be levied to DD and the organization? Financial? 2025 1st round pick? What are the long-term consequences? Severed relationships with player agents, players, parents and staff? Recruitment issues? Dwindling fan base?
If I’m the league and I really want to get rid of the problem. Going to sound like a few guys on here but they seriously should sell the team and not allow DD back in the league.
 
If I’m the league and I really want to get rid of the problem. Going to sound like a few guys on here but they seriously should sell the team and not allow DD back in the league.
If it was a restaurant franchise and he broke the rules consistently and at peril to the corporate brand, you'd better believe his ability to operate under their banner would be revoked. Either the OHL has standards or they allow him to jeopardize players further.
 
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When you have parents of IceDog players boldly liking fb comments, in regard to the suspended owner/GM interfering and over-stepping his boundaries, you have to believe this won’t end well for DD.
 
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The challenge right now is that although Niagara can be a flagship property of the OHL, there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding Major Junior Hockey. Lawsuits out there for players looking to get paid, uncertainty surrounding reorganizing Junior hockey in North America with potentially some sort of realignment coming, and the fact that franchise values have risen to a point where $20+mil is required to take over a team. Niagara is probably more like $25mil. It is a money losing proposition when you factor in Future Value of money. Real business people can turn that $25mil into a lot more money than rolling it through an OHL team. So, it takes someone with deep enough pockets to buy the team as a toy where they don’t really care about making money on the $25mil. That significantly narrows the market.

You have to think with so many NHL players out there worth $50mil or more, you’d get a couple of them together to buy a team but you don’t really see that. There must be a reason, no? The answer is that OHL franchises aren’t prized commodities for people that would run it as a business. You have to be willing to invest in the community and not be concerned about turning a profit.

Someone with $25mil to drop on the Ice Dogs is giving up a 7% ROI which equates to $1.75mil annually. I don’t think there are many teams out there making $1.75mil annually. So, there needs to be an asset appreciation component to buying a team to make up the difference. At 7%, the asset needs to double every ten years. So, in ten years, the team needs to sell for $50mil. Possible? Maybe? I am not too confident about that.

The guys making good money on the OHL are the ones that bought in during the mid to late 90’s and early 2000’s. Their franchise values have doubled twice over. So they are realizing the 7% in asset value increase. Great. Can it stay consistent? 2035, $50mil and 2045 $100mil? Man, that’s tough to see right now.

All this to say that, yes, they can force the sale of the team. But, they need a quality owner to step up and keep the team in Niagara. They pretty much forced a sale with the Burke’s. They ended up with DD. Did he emerge as a winner in an evaluation of the one best suited to take over ownership or was he the one that was able to step up to the plate with $20mil so he’s the guy that got it with relatively no other true interest? Either way, that is a bad sign when thinking about finding a replacement if that ends up the way they want to go.
 
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The challenge right now is that although Niagara can be a flagship property of the OHL, there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding Major Junior Hockey. Lawsuits out there for players looking to get paid, uncertainty surrounding reorganizing Junior hockey in North America with potentially some sort of realignment coming, and the fact that franchise values have risen to a point where $20+mil is required to take over a team. Niagara is probably more like $25mil. It is a money losing proposition when you factor in Future Value of money. Real business people can turn that $25mil into a lot more money than rolling it through an OHL team. So, it takes someone with deep enough pockets to buy the team as a toy where they don’t really care about making money on the $25mil. That significantly narrows the market.

You have to think with so many NHL players out there worth $50mil or more, you’d get a couple of them together to buy a team but you don’t really see that. There must be a reason, no? The answer is that OHL franchises aren’t prized commodities for people that would run it as a business. You have to be willing to invest in the community and not be concerned about turning a profit.

Someone with $25mil to drop on the Ice Dogs is giving up a 7% ROI which equates to $1.75mil annually. I don’t think there are many teams out there making $1.75mil annually. So, there needs to be an asset appreciation component to buying a team to make up the difference. At 7%, the asset needs to double every ten years. So, in ten years, the team needs to sell for $50mil. Possible? Maybe? I am not too confident about that.

The guys making good money on the OHL are the ones that bought in during the mid to late 90’s and early 2000’s. Their franchise values have doubled twice over. So they are realizing the 7% in asset value increase. Great. Can it stay consistent? 2035, $50mil and 2045 $100mil? Man, that’s tough to see right now.

All this to say that, yes, they can force the sale of the team. But, they need a quality owner to step up and keep the team in Niagara. They pretty much forced a sale with the Burke’s. They ended up with DD. Did he emerge as a winner in an evaluation of the one best suited to take over ownership or was he the one that was able to step up to the plate with $20mil so he’s the guy that got it with relatively no other true interest? Either way, that is a bad sign when thinking about finding a replacement if that ends up the way they want to go.
Brantford was sold for 16 million. DD purchased the IceDogs for 18 million. There are currently two separate reputable ownership groups looking to purchase the team. Before he loses all his money, DD needs to take the 16 million offer. No one is giving him 20 million to payoff a debt he created on his own. Fact. Under his ownership, this team is losing money and nothing will change that for him now STH numbers are dropping faster and faster. The negative buzz around the arena in light of the investigation has this franchise in a crises situation.
 
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Brantford was sold for 16 million. DD purchased the IceDogs for 18 million. There are currently two separate reputable ownership groups looking to purchase the team. Before he loses all his money, DD needs to take the 16 million offer. No one is giving him 20 million to payoff a debt he created on his own. Fact. Under his ownership, this team is losing money and nothing will change that for him now STH numbers are dropping faster and faster. The negative buzz around the arena in light of the investigation has this franchise in a crises situation.

If there are two reputable groups now, where were they 2 years ago?
 
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If there are two reputable groups now, where were they 2 years ago?
There were a few different groups that put in bids, that got outbid by DD. No reason for the league, now under Crawford, should be making the same mistake of the previous commissioner. There are quality hockey people wanting ownership of the IceDogs.
 
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There were a few different groups that put in bids, that got outbid by DD. No reason for the league, now under Crawford, should be making the same mistake of the previous commissioner. There are quality hockey people wanting ownership of the IceDogs.
Sounds promising. When teams are bought and sold, it cannot be to the highest bidder. It needs to be to the highest QUALIFIED bidder, the one that will add value to the league. Owners need to be approved. I would say that you cannot be overly restrictive but at the same time, you need to show capability to either run it yourself as Governor OR have the ability and connections in your bid of the right hockey people that the league approves of aligned to operate your franchise. And, you also should have some sort of operating money in reserve. You can’t be in a situation where you use all your resources you are able to scrape together to get the team and then have hinting ahead to operate with.

It seems like the league did not do proper due diligence with DD.
 
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Brantford was sold for 16 million. DD purchased the IceDogs for 18 million. There are currently two separate reputable ownership groups looking to purchase the team. Before he loses all his money, DD needs to take the 16 million offer. No one is giving him 20 million to payoff a debt he created on his own. Fact. Under his ownership, this team is losing money and nothing will change that for him now STH numbers are dropping faster and faster. The negative buzz around the arena in light of the investigation has this franchise in a crises situation.
Thing is- if DD is going to sell. And this is obviously public that people know the guy is incredibly unprofessional. He will likely get low balled because of it(they know he has to sell- value goes down) and cry about his $$$,and stall it for as long as possible which isn’t good for anyone- only DD so he doesn’t lose too much money on the team.

Guy sounds very selfish I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest to see him do that. Just hopefully it doesn’t carry over into next season and get dealt with in the off season.
 
Thing is- if DD is going to sell. And this is obviously public that people know the guy is incredibly unprofessional. He will likely get low balled because of it(they know he has to sell- value goes down) and cry about his $$$,and stall it for as long as possible which isn’t good for anyone- only DD so he doesn’t lose too much money on the team.

Guy sounds very selfish I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest to see him do that. Just hopefully it doesn’t carry over into next season and get dealt with in the off season.

If there is a forced sale, the OHL will likely play a role to ensure the sale is at market value. It is in their best interest to ensure there is no low balling since it would negatively affect the value of any future expansion team.
 
If there is a forced sale, the OHL will likely play a role to ensure the sale is at market value. It is in their best interest to ensure there is no low balling since it would negatively affect the value of any future expansion team.
Good point
 
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