GDT: Columbus at Tampa Bay - 1/10/23 @ 7:00PM. “Official” GDT Thread

[Youngguns1380]

I am going to have to stop watching for a while. I am being more pessimistic/moody instead of it being fun for me. Just can’t watch this tank job.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Implying Johnny is complaining about his centers? I have no idea how the question was worded

No.. it was asked because Kj is learning center , is that why such reduced minutes for JG

 

[LoneFunyan]

Get the young guys out of this toxic sewer of a season and do it NOW.

This organization is impossible to root for sometimes.

 

[majormajor]

Okay this pisses me off. Larsen is calling players out now after his coaching has been amateurish. Now he is going to the media about players because his seat is getting hot. Not a way to win over players.

I would venture to guess Johnny Hockey could coach this team better than Larsen. Also seems to me he was producing all of those years and now Larsen acts like he can coach him better and wants Johnny to shoulder the whole team. When his exact words in the beginning of the season he said he didn’t want him to shoulder the load for the entire team.

If a player is slacking (last I checked Johnny definitely was) then the coach has to feel free to hold them accountable. It doesn't matter whether the coach feels like he's done a great job coaching and it doesn't matter what the player is paid or how good he is. We all agree that we need accountability, here's a start.

 

[VT]

Btw, there is a possibility that since the game couldn't be saved, players like Gaudreau, Laine (but I didn't really watch him after the 5th goal), etc., will play less so they don't possibly get injured.

Question. Where I can find shifts players in periods? I can find it neither Moneypuck nor Natural Stat Trick.

 

[ndd17]

Btw, there is a possibility that since the game couldn't be saved, players like Gaudreau, Laine (but I didn't really watch him after the 5th goal), etc., will play less so they don't possibly get injured.

Question. Where I can find shifts players in periods? I can find it neither Moneypuck nor Natural Stat Trick.

Play By Play

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Marchenko with 9 goals in 17 games.

That’s on pace for 42 goals if he played a full season. With 11-13 minutes of toi. The guy is a legit scorer.

 

[Columbus Jack]

I'm happy about Marchenko, dude is the real deal and I expected great things but probably not this soon.

What's there to say about Larsen at this point? Guy is trying his best he's just not an NHL coach. You can't just coach "effort" at this level and expect victories. He doesn't have the guys to compete right now but I don't think he's ever really proven to be a good coach with a healthy roster. It took how long for him to change practice styles and now the team finally looks fast? Roughly 4 months?

Johnny is probably annoyed with losing and having Laine turn over pucks. Patrik needs to find his game again. He looks very slow and ineffective. You could say that about a lot of players though.

Side note about Jody and Rimer, Jody seems to be carrying Rims even more of late. It's gotta be frustrating. This franchise really needs a new play by play guy. Bucci would be the dream.

 

[tunnelvision]

Side note about Jody and Rimer, Jody seems to be carrying Rims even more of late. It's gotta be frustrating. This franchise really needs a new play by play guy. Bucci would be the dream.

Ever since McElligott started doing the radio I've had the sense that he's been expecting/hoping to be Rimer's successor. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him leave the organisation if they decided to replace Rimer with someone else.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Ever since McElligott started doing the radio I've had the sense that he's been expecting/hoping to be Rimer's successor. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him leave the organisation if they decided to replace Rimer with someone else.

I like Bob but not sure he's really that much of an upgrade. I definitely envision this team promoting him as the replacement since half our staff are former players who've never done their job before. Bob has been "developing" with the radio call.

 

[tunnelvision]

I like Bob but not sure he's really that much of an upgrade. I definitely envision this team promoting him as the replacement since half our staff are former players who've never done their job before. Bob has been "developing" with the radio call.

Not a big fan of his calls but I can imagine him being a tolerable announcer provided Bally/Fox then demanded him to drop "and I've got two words for ya! Game over!" and rest of his corny phrases from the pbp.

 

[majormajor]

What's there to say about Larsen at this point? Guy is trying his best he's just not an NHL coach. You can't just coach "effort" at this level and expect victories. He doesn't have the guys to compete right now but I don't think he's ever really proven to be a good coach with a healthy roster. It took how long for him to change practice styles and now the team finally looks fast? Roughly 4 months?

Is there something from this game that we're blaming Larsen for? Should he not be encouraging effort, and is there some other path he could take where we would expect to win this game?

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Johnny is probably annoyed with losing and having Laine turn over pucks. Patrik needs to find his game again. He looks very slow and ineffective. You could say that about a lot of players though.

In this game I thought Laine did a good job, certainly didn't look ineffective. In fact that second line was pretty good overall, they had their offensive moments and scored a couple. The first line and Johnny were invisible for the most part.

Better matchups. If he's out there with the first or second line he's going to be seeing tougher matchups. He gets pushed down and Larsen is trying to allow him to get more looks against lesser opponents. Gets his confidence going, but on the flip side Johnny and KJ need a body like Marchenkos on their line.

This makes too much sense. It almost sounds like... developing young players?

Also, I don't really know enough about coaching or coaches to give too much merit to my own thoughts, but seeing Lars make changes at all is actually a positive to me. Doesn't matter (right now) if it takes four months, as long as he realizes the need and makes the change, hopefully being faster the next time the same is needed.

In any case I've been happy watching the last couple of games, sure we give up goals too easily but otherwise we've been playing at least okay and getting chances, and if we ignore the goals given up, it's been entertaining. (And I'm fully in the tank now so winning isn't a concern.)

 

[majormajor]

Not a big fan of his calls but I can imagine him being a tolerable announcer provided Bally/Fox then demanded him to drop "and I've got two words for ya! Game over!" and rest of his corny phrases from the pbp.

Bob is sharp-witted and in control. I'd be eager to take him just to move on from Rims. Is there a better alternative, I don't know, but he's an upgrade.

 

[tunnelvision]

Bob is sharp-witted and in control. I'd be eager to take him just to move on from Rims. Is there a better alternative, I don't know, but he's an upgrade.

An upgrade for sure but listening to him will become tiresome very soon if he's more interested to take the role of comedian with the jokes, mannerisms and casual chatting instead of trying to describe actual game events.

 

[majormajor]

An upgrade for sure but listening to him will become tiresome very soon if he's more interested to take the role of comedian with the jokes, mannerisms and casual chatting instead of trying to describe actual game events.

I think some of that is just radio vs tv.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think some of that is just radio vs tv.

Agreed but then…

Bob seems actually suited in other ways to TV. He doesn’t give the score and time enough for radio and he drifts off-topic which is fine if I’m watching what’s happening but not if I’m relying on him to let me know what’s going on.

 

[Monk]

Agreed but then…

Bob seems actually suited in other ways to TV. He doesn’t give the score and time enough for radio and he drifts off-topic which is fine if I’m watching what’s happening but not if I’m relying on him to let me know what’s going on.

I haven't watched a game for a while, but it sounds like Bob might be doing you a favor

 

[Columbus Jack]

Is there something from this game that we're blaming Larsen for? Should he not be encouraging effort, and is there some other path he could take where we would expect to win this game?

It's an overall theme. Not just this game, in fact the team is able to now score a couple goals, thats an improvement! I guess...
His overall ideas clearly do not work, once again this team was bad even fully healthy. There's no clear system in place and the team gets dominated for the majority of games. They have recently just changed their practice style and it has shown dividends. How the hell did it take this long to make an adjustment? Thats not an NHL coach who is aware of what needs to be done.

What are Larsen's ideas that are supposed to bring about victories? Or do we just think you need the best roster and not be outskated?

Once again, I'm talking about up to this point in the season. Not a small sample size of one night.

 

[CBJx614]

It's an overall theme. Not just this game, in fact the team is able to now score a couple goals, thats an improvement! I guess...
His overall ideas clearly do not work, once again this team was bad even fully healthy. There's no clear system in place and the team gets dominated for the majority of games. They have recently just changed their practice style and it has shown dividends. How the hell did it take this long to make an adjustment? Thats not an NHL coach who is aware of what needs to be done.

What are Larsen's ideas that are supposed to bring about victories? Or do we just think you need the best roster and not be outskated?

Once again, I'm talking about up to this point in the season. Not a small sample size of one night.

I'm not necessarily making excuses for Larsen, but we had maybe 7 or 8 games before players started dropping like flies while trying to implement a new offense

 

[Monk]

I'm not necessarily making excuses for Larsen, but we had maybe 7 or 8 games before players started dropping like flies while trying to implement a new offense

This is sort of where I land, I can't justify blaming him squarely for this season's results, but he certainly hasn't done anything to instill confidence moving forward... I won't be horrified if they keep him next year, but would probably lean toward replacing him assuming a good alternative is available (and wants to coach the Jackets). The assumption there is key.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I'm not necessarily making excuses for Larsen, but we had maybe 7 or 8 games before players started dropping like flies while trying to implement a new offense

I wasn’t aware there was a new offense . Heard they were running a new defensive system ?

 

[majormajor]

This is sort of where I land, I can't justify blaming him squarely for this season's results, but he certainly hasn't done anything to instill confidence moving forward... I won't be horrified if they keep him next year, but would probably lean toward replacing him assuming a good alternative is available (and wants to coach the Jackets). The assumption there is key.

I think we definitely need a new coach. Lars had to be prodded to hold the players accountable, it's just not in his nature to push them hard. Maybe he'll learn from this and become a great coach but it will require a new start elsewhere, he's lost his voice here.

 

[CBJx614]

I wasn’t aware there was a new offense . Heard they were running a new defensive system ?

When you land a league leading scorer after not having a single player go over what, 60-70 points least season, your offensive plans change.

I think we definitely need a new coach. Lars had to be prodded to hold the players accountable, it's just not in his nature to push them hard. Maybe he'll learn from this and become a great coach but it will require lack leaving Columbus, he's lost his voice here.

Barring us going on say a 15-20 game losing streak, I think the FO keeps him through the off-season.
That being said I think he would be on an extremely, EXTREMELY short leash.


I also wouldn't be surprised for him to be fired the day after our last game.. I think the next 3 months will really determine that answer.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Barring us going on say a 15-20 game losing streak, I think the FO keeps him through the off-season.
That being said I think he would be on an extremely, EXTREMELY short leash.

I also wouldn't be surprised for him to be fired the day after our last game.. I think the next 3 months will really determine that answer.

These are 100% my thoughts. I'm guessing most everyone's expectation is that Lars gets fired but I think he has a chance for next year (on that short leash).

At the same time I also feel he's lost his voice in the room - but I wonder if this is such a special season and such young players that he might be able to regain it as the season goes towards its end. He's been in the organization for a long time, most players know him from before, and him being a "players' coach" or whatever might actually help now. If players see him learning and developing too, maybe he has a chance.