Colorado stars close to shattering the empty net points record

[slobbergob]

He already trusts, that's how Kucherov set a record for empty netters last season. He just doesn't need to embarrass himself for 3 minutes hunting for an empty netter, he will be higher than Mackinnon in the scoring race even without these points

Kuch has 4 games in hand to catch Mackinnon in the only scoring race that matters. He just needs 7 more EN points.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Sorry everyone, this is my fault. Earlier in the season I had called them out about how heavily their ENG allowed vs ENG scored ratio was skewed towards allowed, and they must have read my comment and taken it personally

 

[jani]

You see those EN point totals and you have to be insane to pull your goalie against the Avs at this point. Learn from your mistakes and the mistakes of others.

 

[Sky04]

Looks like MacKinnon found another thing he's better at than Kucherov.

You do know he lost the Art Ross right? And has 1 less cup. The Avs are just perennial 2nd round losers who got lucky once.

 

[dirtydanglez]

He wasn’t put at the end of the game with empty net though….he was earlier with EN. If you wanted to pad his stats you’d have him out there trying to get more

if you're referring to the game against the jets the game was already fairly secure with a 2 goal lead. no need to leave him out for 2 whole minutes

 

[Mulletman]

Jesus tap dancing Christ, does Rantanen have any shame? Getting carried by MacKinnon and Makar is bad enough but scoring 22 % of your points on an empty net is something else. @Murzu please tell us how Rantanen is able to look himself in the mirror let alone sleep at night.

 

[Grifter3511]

Sounds like players trusted by their coach doing what they're supposed to do.

 

[HockeyFan100]

You do know he lost the Art Ross right? And has 1 less cup. The Avs are just perennial 2nd round losers who got lucky once.

That year where they "got lucky once" was better and more impressive than Tampa's mickey mouse COVID cups. What has Tampa done since then? Oh right, lose to the f***ing Maple Leafs of all teams in the playoffs.

 

[Greatzsky 99]

Kucherov broke the all-time record with 14 last year. We're not even half way though the year and Rantanen is already at 12, MacKinnon at 11.

Is this just shameless stat padding, a marketing gimmick to increase their point totals to serve the NHL star cult or are they just really good at securing games for their team and nobody should complain? What's going on?

This is just speculation, but i have a FEELING that goalies are being pulled more early and more often nowdays, i have no data to back this up, maybe someone have.

That year where they "got lucky once" was better and more impressive than Tampa's mickey mouse COVID cups. What has Tampa done since then? Oh right, lose to the f***ing Maple Leafs of all teams in the playoffs.

Finals 3 years in row was good, personally no one wins the cup by luck.

Jesus tap dancing Christ, does Rantanen have any shame? Getting carried by MacKinnon and Makar is bad enough but scoring 22 % of your points on an empty net is something else. @Murzu please tell us how Rantanen is able to look himself in the mirror let alone sleep at night.

Hes drinking 1 liter of finnish water every evening, it the rest of the world it goes by the name vodka

 

[Murzu]

Jesus tap dancing Christ, does Rantanen have any shame? Getting carried by MacKinnon and Makar is bad enough but scoring 22 % of your points on an empty net is something else. @Murzu please tell us how Rantanen is able to look himself in the mirror let alone sleep at night.

He is a shameless man, wants to pop up those numbers and doesn't care how he does it.

I love @Mulletman

 

[Peasy]

Actually pretty crazy a quarter of their points are from empty netters

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Ridiculous that they're trying to score goals and seal wins.

Naw, the only thing ridiculous are people now claiming MacKinnon is the best player when he's getting 0.27 PPG of his production from empty net points.

Nice of you to ignore this and pretend it's about anything else.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

None of us think Mack is the Hart leader at the moment. You guys trying to get us with “gotchas!” are hilarious.

I mean... did you not see the thread that's been on the main page for weeks "Nathan MacKinnon Best player in the league"?? Saw plenty of avs and non-avs fans in there claim exactly what you deny.

 

[Peasy]

This is an interesting argument. I was one who ripped Kucherov for all his EN points in 23-24 and believe it cost him the Hart, but there has to be something to your team being up late in games and your team depending on you to close out the games.

Is an EN easier than one with literally anything in it? Yes, but the Avs as a team should get some credit for being up late in games compared to going to OT and potentially losing.

Lmao great job changing your ideology when it benefits your players literally less than a year later. Seems like you probably only hated it in the first place because it was kucherov and not your guys.

 

[John Mandalorian]

In other news, Lehkonen is scoring at a 44 goal pace.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

You do know he lost the Art Ross right? And has 1 less cup. The Avs are just perennial 2nd round losers who got lucky once.

Nobody cared about the bubble/covid cups

 

[Ceremony]

This thread and the "team pulls goalie on a defensive zone faceoff while shorthanded" thread make a great team. Almost as good a combination as MacKinnon, Rantanen and an empty net.

 

[Miri]

and Colorado isn't even that good, even with their current winning streak they're on pace for 99 points and a +15 goal differential over a full season right now, that's like first round road Playoff team level

never would have guessed they had so many empty net goals already this year

And they will get even more, when league finally introduces the mandatory rule for the other teams to play without goalie against Avs entire game… as they should.

 

[Altimus]

So you're mad at players being paid to score goals are...checks notes... scoring goals? They don't tell the other team to pull the goalie. Did you think they asked them to? Do you want them to walk the puck down to the other teams goal line, leave it there and line change?

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Jesus tap dancing Christ, does Rantanen have any shame? Getting carried by MacKinnon and Makar is bad enough but scoring 22 % of your points on an empty net is something else. @Murzu please tell us how Rantanen is able to look himself in the mirror let alone sleep at night.

RantENEN

Gets his EN points share with NathEN MackENEN

 

[John Mandalorian]

RantENEN

Gets his EN points share with NathEN MackENEN

Don’t leave out LehkonEN. Before Colorado, he was slumminEN. Now he’s prosperEN.

 

[FinnLightning26]

I'm sure all the MacKinnon fans who were bitching about Kuch's EN points last year have no problem with it this time.

 

[The Panther]

I think we all now that "empty-net scoring culture" (thank you) has changed in pro-hockey over the past 5 or 10 years. As someone noted, it used to be that coaches would only pull the goalie with maybe 90 seconds or less to play, and then usually only if down by maybe one goal.

Also, it used to be that players were generally frowned upon for trying to score into the empty-net unless it was a total 'gimme' (because missing would result in icing).

These factors have changed, maybe due to analytics or whatever, but nowadays coaches pull the goalies way earlier and they seem to encourage players to shoot on the empty-net, as obviously scoring an insurance goal pretty much seals a win. And if you have your top players on, the odds of them completing passes and scoring on the empty-net are higher than if your grinders are on.

So, the fact that empty-net scoring has gone up doesn't surprise me at all, given these factors.

However, what does surprise me a bit about Kucherov last year and Rantanen / MacKinnon (so far) this year is that they're putting up these record empty-net point totals... and their respective teams aren't that good.

That is, I would have thought that in order to score a record point total on empty nets, you would have to face a relatively huge number of empty nets compared to other clubs. Thus, I would have thought only top players on the top 3 or 4 teams would even have the possibility of setting those records. But last year, the Lightning were just 'good' (bad-ish in the first half) and this year the Avalance are likewise just 'good'. So, presumably, there are several clubs who have faced empty nets more often than the Lightning last year or the Avs this year, yet nobody has come close to Kuch's "record" or the Avs' stars pace this season.

So... what I'd like to know is: How many times did the Lightning face an empty net last season in total, and how many times have the Avs faced an empty net so far this season?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

In all seriousness, yes, Mackinnon and Rantanen are chasing empty netters like crazy. I was watching some game and they had like a 2:40 shift at the end trying to score empty netter

Lol this is just a flat out lie

 

[tucker3434]

It’s been a real treat having goaltending good enough to get ENG’s.