News Article: Colorado Avalanche Media Coverage Part VI

[expatriatedtexan]

Whatever became of this cryptic shit?

I feel it's rude to say, but she popped a button on her blouse.

That's it.

 

[The Merchant]

Whatever became of this cryptic shit?

A shitty merch line

 

[The Merchant]

 

[LOFIN]

I feel it's rude to say, but she popped a button on her blouse.

Please don't say stuff like that Meghan is better than that

 

[CobraAcesS]

30 f***ing years.

Got damn where does the time go. I feel like what, 2/3 maybe 3/4 of this board was alive at the time?

I remember it so distinctly becaues I had been a fan of the NHL for about 3 or 4 years but had never picked a team to root for. When Quebec relocated and traded for Roy, it was a no brainer for me. I had always loved playing as Quebec on Sega NHL games. The very first NHL game I attended was in Boston vs Montreal. The two dudes that stood out to a complete newbie was that damn goalie wearing #33 and a defensemen from Boston wearing #77.

So yeah, year one I claimed Colorado as "my Team" becaue it was time to have "a team". Dallas had no connection for me...the were still in Minny when I joined the Navy and left the state.

Would be funny to post pictures of ourselves from the inaugural season. *LOL* Of course, you see my mug and it might not be so funny. I've got a face made for the radio.

I was 12.. There will be no pictures lol.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Really hard to "like" a post dealing with this topic. Certainly appreciate the link though as I had not seen this yet.

That YT video linked in the article with all of Simon's fights in the 95/96 season was something else. It's been so long but I forgot there was a time where we could face an eastern conference opponent more than twice. We played TOR three times... and Simon and Tie Domi go at it in each and every one.

The back to back fights between Chris and Tie Domi... holy mama. At the end of the second fight one of the announces mentioned something about the fact that while there is a big difference in their physical sizes, there is no difference in the size of their hearts.

There is no denying times and tastes have changed. But the 90s enforcer era had a lot of heavy weights and there was legit anticipation of certain matchups. Unfortunately, I can't act like it didn't thrill me to watch these guys go at it... even though I now am completely aware of the delayed and often times hidden after-effects that can result in tragic lives and endings.

Also can't believe I legit forgot that Chris led the Caps in goals one season.

Cool thing about getting older is that sometimes you get to celebrate someone's accomplishments... more than once.

 

[Foppa2118]

Really hard to "like" a post dealing with this topic. Certainly appreciate the link though as I had not seen this yet.

That YT video linked in the article with all of Simon's fights in the 95/96 season was something else. It's been so long but I forgot there was a time where we could face an eastern conference opponent more than twice. We played TOR three times... and Simon and Tie Domi go at it in each and every one.

The back to back fights between Chris and Tie Domi... holy mama. At the end of the second fight one of the announces mentioned something about the fact that while there is a big difference in their physical sizes, there is no difference in the size of their hearts.

There is no denying times and tastes have changed. But the 90s enforcer era had a lot of heavy weights and there was legit anticipation of certain matchups. Unfortunately, I can't act like it didn't thrill me to watch these guys go at it... even though I now am completely aware of the delayed and often times hidden after-effects that can result in tragic lives and endings.

Also can't believe I legit forgot that Chris led the Caps in goals one season.

Cool thing about getting older is that sometimes you get to celebrate someone's accomplishments... more than once.

IMO, the main factor for things getting so bad post career, isn't necessarily the fights. It's the failure to diagnose concussions, and the culture of making players feel like bitches if they don't go out and play.

Especially enforcers. Heard lots of stories over the years about Hartley or other coaches playing mind games with enforcers, making them feel bad if they didn't think they were healthy enough to play.

These are mostly one sided stories from guys like Scott Parker or others, so maybe they're a bit self serving, it's hard to tell, but it feels like they're probably pretty close to the truth on the main details.

Head trauma experts say it's not necessarily the KO's that lead to CTE in boxers for example, it's all the years of repeated hard sparring, getting hit in the head, even at sub concussion levels, without giving their brain the proper time to heal.

It's the healing part that is the problem for the NHL.

Even now when they let guys back in games that clearly lost consciousness from a hit, which means they were concussed. They just did it with Bichsel against the Avs, when he was clearly KO'd. That will take some kind of toll on his long term health, and the more it happens, the worse it gets. Every little hit afterwards when their brain hasn't healed, will have a much bigger impact. I think we saw this with Hishon after he got hit in the head, and then took a light hit on his way to the bench and fell to the ice.

It's especially damaging if if they get hit really hard soon after. That's what the NHL is risking when they allow these guys back into games too soon.

That was the problem with Lindros. Not necessarily the KO's. But the medical staff downplayed his symptoms, rushed him back, and then he went out and got KO'd again before his brain healed. Probably the same with Roenick and many others.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

IMO, the main factor for things getting so bad post career, isn't necessarily the fights. It's the failure to diagnose concussions, and the culture of making players feel like bitches if they don't go out and play.

Especially enforcers. Heard lots of stories over the years about Hartley or other coaches playing mind games with enforcers, making them feel bad if they didn't think they were healthy enough to play.

These are mostly one sided stories from guys like Scott Parker or others, so maybe they're a bit self serving, it's hard to tell, but it feels like they're probably pretty close to the truth on the main details.

Head trauma experts say it's not necessarily the KO's that lead to CTE in boxers for example, it's all the years of repeated hard sparring, getting hit in the head, even at sub concussion levels, without giving their brain the proper time to heal.

It's the healing part that is the problem for the NHL.

Even now when they let guys back in games that clearly lost consciousness from a hit, which means they were concussed. They just did it with Bichsel against the Avs, when he was clearly KO'd. That will take some kind of toll on his long term health, and the more it happens, the worse it gets. Every little hit afterwards when their brain hasn't healed, will have a much bigger impact. I think we saw this with Hishon after he got hit in the head, and then took a light hit on his way to the bench and fell to the ice.

It's especially damaging if if they get hit really hard soon after. That's what the NHL is risking when they allow these guys back into games too soon.

That was the problem with Lindros. Not necessarily the KO's. But the medical staff downplayed his symptoms, rushed him back, and then he went out and got KO'd again before his brain healed. Probably the same with Roenick and many others.

Just read the article posted in original link.

“The relationship between Simon and coach Marc Crawford was volatile during that championship run. And here's the weird thing: unlike Simon, ‘Crow’ was fiery. The coach took pride in being a pain in the ass.​

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“The image that sticks with me about Simon is counter to everything we think about a hockey enforcer. I can still see Crawford dressing down Simon in a very vocal, almost embarrassing, way when he was upset with ‘Chief’ the day after a playoff game against Vancouver.​

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“Crawford railed against Simon on the ice at an Avalanche practice for all, including teammates and I to see. Crow was mad at Chief for not sending a message to Gino Odjick, the Canucks' resident tough guy. What I recall more than Crawford's harsh words was the way Simon reacted. As he took the coach's heat, Simon's eyes were downcast and his shoulders slumped, like a child admonished by an angry parent for not doing his chores.”​

I find it hard to believe, but this was actually Kizla being quoted I believe. The shittiest shit stirrer to ever stir shit, actually wrote something that connected with me emotionally. Man that was a long time ago, eh?

 

[Foppa2118]

Just read the article posted in original link.

“The relationship between Simon and coach Marc Crawford was volatile during that championship run. And here's the weird thing: unlike Simon, ‘Crow’ was fiery. The coach took pride in being a pain in the ass.​

​

“The image that sticks with me about Simon is counter to everything we think about a hockey enforcer. I can still see Crawford dressing down Simon in a very vocal, almost embarrassing, way when he was upset with ‘Chief’ the day after a playoff game against Vancouver.​

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“Crawford railed against Simon on the ice at an Avalanche practice for all, including teammates and I to see. Crow was mad at Chief for not sending a message to Gino Odjick, the Canucks' resident tough guy. What I recall more than Crawford's harsh words was the way Simon reacted. As he took the coach's heat, Simon's eyes were downcast and his shoulders slumped, like a child admonished by an angry parent for not doing his chores.”​

I find it hard to believe, but this was actually Kizla being quoted I believe. The shittiest shit stirrer to ever stir shit, actually wrote something that connected with me emotionally. Man that was a long time ago, eh?

It's a very well put together article by Kyle, though a tough read.

I think Dr Mckee who examined Simon's brain after death, made some strong arguments.

"Her research as director of BU’s CTE Center established that repetitive head impacts — both concussive and non-concussive — can lead to progressive brain disease without a known cure. Experts believe CTE occurs when a structural protein called ‘tau’ malfunctions, causing a reaction that slowly kills brain cells and spreads with severity. It is currently impossible to diagnose CTE in a living person."

"McKee identified Reggie Fleming in 2009 as the first known case of CTE in a former NHL player. That list has grown to 19 ex-NHL players since April when McKee diagnosed Simon. BU also released a December study which confirmed 42 cases of CTE in men’s ice hockey players among 77 total brain donors."

"One key discovery: The odds of CTE increased by 34% with each year played."

“It was the first time we showed a direct relationship between the number of years playing hockey and the risk for CTE,” McKee told The Denver Gazette in a phone interview about CTE research and Simon’s diagnosis. “His Stage 3 was on the severe side. ... The only thing we found in his brain at the time of death was CTE. So, I think it’s likely that his decline — which was really quite profound, especially in the last 10 years — accounted for that.”

“Gary Bettman has been adamant that there is no association between hockey and CTE — which is preposterous,” McKee told The Denver Gazette. “He’s flying in the face of tremendous evidence, looking at the number of players that have been reported. ... I think it’s a very willful misunderstanding of the issue. There is a clear attempt to obfuscate the science and deny its applicability to hockey players.”

 

[expatriatedtexan]

It's a very well put together article by Kyle, though a tough read.

I think Dr Mckee who examined Simon's brain after death, made some strong arguments.

"Her research as director of BU’s CTE Center established that repetitive head impacts — both concussive and non-concussive — can lead to progressive brain disease without a known cure. Experts believe CTE occurs when a structural protein called ‘tau’ malfunctions, causing a reaction that slowly kills brain cells and spreads with severity. It is currently impossible to diagnose CTE in a living person."

"McKee identified Reggie Fleming in 2009 as the first known case of CTE in a former NHL player. That list has grown to 19 ex-NHL players since April when McKee diagnosed Simon. BU also released a December study which confirmed 42 cases of CTE in men’s ice hockey players among 77 total brain donors."

"One key discovery: The odds of CTE increased by 34% with each year played."

“It was the first time we showed a direct relationship between the number of years playing hockey and the risk for CTE,” McKee told The Denver Gazette in a phone interview about CTE research and Simon’s diagnosis. “His Stage 3 was on the severe side. ... The only thing we found in his brain at the time of death was CTE. So, I think it’s likely that his decline — which was really quite profound, especially in the last 10 years — accounted for that.”

“Gary Bettman has been adamant that there is no association between hockey and CTE — which is preposterous,” McKee told The Denver Gazette. “He’s flying in the face of tremendous evidence, looking at the number of players that have been reported. ... I think it’s a very willful misunderstanding of the issue. There is a clear attempt to obfuscate the science and deny its applicability to hockey players.”

Yeah, the line about the odds of CTE incresing by 34% per year played was startling to say the least.

As is the fact that of the brains they've examined, nearly a half have had CTE. There is definitely something here and Bettman needs to wake the f*** up or be shown the door. When, not if... but WHEN the players successfully sue the league over this, Bettman's words and quotes are going to be nails in the leagues' coffin.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah, the line about the odds of CTE incresing by 34% per year played was startling to say the least.

As is the fact that of the brains they've examined, nearly a half have had CTE. There is definitely something here and Bettman needs to wake the f*** up or be shown the door. When, not if... but WHEN the players successfully sue the league over this, Bettman's words and quotes are going to be nails in the leagues' coffin.

Yeah, their sample is most definitely skewed toward brains with CTE, and I'm not sure how much stock to put into that 34% number, but the research makes Bettman's assertion that there's no link between NHL hockey and concussions, look absurd. It's clearly just a defense against liability lawsuits.

The worst effects of CTE is probably a concern for a small minority of players, but those are still human lives, dealing with very profound depression and mood changes, with friends and families that care about them, and the league is still allowing concussed players back into games before their brains have healed, to suffer more CTE.