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I doubt they'll be able to handle the long distance thing, you know? What with Miller being relegated to Providence because he pinches in when Claude would rather he scurry back...
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I doubt they'll be able to handle the long distance thing, you know? What with Miller being relegated to Providence because he pinches in when Claude would rather he scurry back...
heck, some people might say the opposite should be true, that zac should be there! i don't think that's true, but miller may well be there, cause his positioning is really whacky like he's playing ball hockey. we'll see. colin would be a handsome and talented friend for zac.
thegodfather
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Not sure on that one. I know over a longer distance the shot would die down, naturally.
But in the hardest shot competition it's always measured at the net is it not, just like a pitch in baseball. I would think it's impossible to measure it right off the stick, it needs time to build it's speed up wouldn't it....
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I haven't seen Miller play, but I'm all for giving a guy with his reputed skills all the chance in the world to make the team.
My only problem is that every time I read about him, I can't help but get the image of David Tanabe in my head.
My only problem is that every time I read about him, I can't help but get the image of David Tanabe in my head.
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Tanabe was the biggest wuss to ever put on a Bruins uniform.
From what I understand, Miller still actively engages in the physical part of the game, despite his size.
I don't think they'll be playing similar games.
thegodfather
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Thanks Colt, I stand corrected.
But now how the hell do they track that coming off the racket or stick...
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I work with people who are Monarchs season ticket holders and Bruins fans and they love this move. I'm told he gets involved and plays physical. He will take a hit to make plays.
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That's cool, but the big difference is that everyone knows that Boyhuck can play in this league. With Miller, it's still an unknown.
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I'm excited to see him play. Just like I'm excited to see Morrow play. At the end of the day though, I don't think Julien will keep either around, unless he's forced to, because it's not how he likes to execute his system. Morrow looked a lot better than some of the other guys they brought up and let play regularly last year, but as soon as he could, Julien sent him down because his offensive skill set represents risk. Same thing with Spooner. He was good offensively, but couldn't get a sniff because with Julien it's not about being good offensively. It's about being good defensively. I fully expect Miller to be an exciting player to watch during camp, and then for this place to blow up once Julien sends him down...
Krug
Bartkowski
Spooner
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just a handful of guys that ultimately earned spots under Julien in the last couple years. Stop perpetuating this myth that Julien never puts trust in the kids. When they earn it, they play, simple as that. I realize that we all get frustrated from time to time with just how much it takes to earn his trust but it's BS to say that he's flat out going to block them from cracking the lineup if they deserve it.
that's an absolutely horrific comparison lmao
he's as similar to boychuk as zac rinaldo is to carl hagelin: both are really fast
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Don Sweeney wants Miller to play he's playing. Claude is not rolling out Greg Campbell. Sweeney is a real hockey guy- grass roots scout talent evaluator. Chiarelli was a consensus opinion gatherer before he made decisions. Sweeney is going to be involved here and thats a good thing to me but I'm learning a lot on HF
You got revise your thought process here. BTW I'm keeping track how many timed you agree with me for kicks and its zero
am I really that dumb
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Don Sweeney wants Miller to play he's playing. Claude is not rolling out Greg Campbell. Sweeney is a real hockey guy- grass roots scout talent evaluator. Chiarelli was a consensus opinion gatherer before he made decisions.
You got revise your thought process here. BTW I'm keeping track how many timed you agree with me for kicks and its zero
That's great to hear, and I truly hope it's true. Obviously time will tell what Sweeney is and what he likes. My issue isn't that Sweeney will let Claude have his way with the roster, but that Claude will do so regardless. If they give a guy like Miller to Claude and he feels he's not ready, he's going to give him minimal minutes and bury him at the end of the bench. Again, I hope that sweeney is comfortable calling in Claude and ripping him a new one if he does crap like that, but today that's an unknown.
In terms of the agreeing or disagreeing, I wouldn't read too much into. Most of the times I've agreed with you, there wasn't really much need for me to interject because you already laid out a logical argument.
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Absolutely. That's also why Julien playing stiffs like Simon Gagne last year over rookies was foolhardy. You need to see what those guys can do, so you don't end up with a bottom of the roster that's filled with declining vets who are all making way too much money. But hey, why let that stop them now???
Hopefully Miller steps in and gives the team a rough approximation of what JB brought to the table. I still have questions about whether he and Morrow will get an honest to god fair shake from Julien, but time will tell. They need at least one of those guys to make the leap from the A to the NHL.
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Well thanks, captain obvious.
People certainly knew Boychuk could play in the NHL when he was 25 and still skating in the AHL, right?
I'm not saying Miller is a surefire thing by any means, but you're making an impossible argument to fight against. No kidding people know Boychuk can play NOW. It's just a projection/comparison with Miller. And to add to it, Miller is only going to be 23. It's not like his career is over.
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Well thanks, captain obvious.
People certainly knew Boychuk could play in the NHL when he was 25 and still skating in the AHL, right?
I'm not saying Miller is a surefire thing by any means, but you're making an impossible argument to fight against. No kidding people know Boychuk can play NOW. It's just a projection/comparison with Miller. And to add to it, Miller is only going to be 23. It's not like his career is over.
That was more about Julien preferring veterans who play a stay at home defensive game more so than rookies who are mainly about offensive upside. Of course it would be great if Miller could step in and be a contributor this season, but I can't get past Julien's track record for offensive minded d men, let alone rookies on d who are offensively minded first and foremost. It just seems like a mismatch.
Stone Clode
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That's the thing, though. Boychuk was quite the offensive defenseman in the AHL and the WHL. He always had the physical element to his game, as does Miller. Boychuk was more of a fighter in the AHL than Miller, but Miller has had his moments. He's much more of a physical defenseman than you're letting on. Ironically enough, Boychuk's best year in the AHL (in 08-09, when he won the Eddie Shore award) was the year with his least penalty minutes and least fighting majors since his first full year of major junior hockey. His last year in the AHL, as well.
Boychuk was very much so an offensive minded defenseman in minor league hockey, and refined his defensive game over time. It really wasn't until he reached the NHL that he became known for his great defensive play. And Miller isn't as pure offensively minded as you'd think.
I actually think Boychuk is a great comparison of Colin Miller. Boychuk may be a bit more physical and more willing to drop the gloves, but overall play style is pretty damn close.
Over the volcano
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Didn't Gagne sign for the league minimum?Absolutely. That's also why Julien playing stiffs like Simon Gagne last year over rookies was foolhardy. You need to see what those guys can do, so you don't end up with a bottom of the roster that's filled with declining vets who are all making way too much money. But hey, why let that stop them now???
Hopefully Miller steps in and gives the team a rough approximation of what JB brought to the table. I still have questions about whether he and Morrow will get an honest to god fair shake from Julien, but time will tell. They need at least one of those guys to make the leap from the A to the NHL.
He's been great with Krug and Hamilton both rookies/real young defenders who are offensively minded and contributed in a major way. Hamilton might have driven him mad, but he got the minutes and produced just fine.
Wiseguyjohnny
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How is this a constructive post in this thread? Why do legit articles and points of discussion always have to be met with sarcasm on this forum?
i thought it was funny....
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I guess. The thing I recall is that for Krug to even play, they had so many injuries that he got bumped up the depth chart, and it wasn't because Julien liked his game. Sure it was the playoffs, but he never got a shake prior to the playoffs (3 NHL games in two seasons) where they were so desperate for bodies that he got time by default. He obviously took advantage of that opportunity, but it took a lot for that to even present itself. Seems to me that it would have been easier had he gotten some time in regular season games prior to being thrown into the fire of the playoffs. Luckily enough, he did well with the baptism by fire, but it wasn't an ideal situation, you know?
In terms of Hamilton, he got barely a half season of games in during his rookie year. He was benched pretty regularly by Julien.
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Regardless of what Gagne got paid, was he a good player from what you saw? Was it better to keep him on the roster instead of giving that job to a younger player from Providence? Would the team have been better served getting that younger player some in game experience?
And you can say he did a good job with Krug and Hammy over and over. It doesn't change the facts of how they were used to start with. Krug sat behind retreads like Wade Redden. Hamilton was given limited minutes and sat for long stretches. The ironic part is that Krug didn't get any meaningful regular season experience before being dropped into the middle of a playoff run. Do you think that kind of philosophy generally works out on a regular basis?
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