Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[DRW204]

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Indeed.

But the Wild are in our division. Their drafts vs our drafts matter somewhat more than what Buffalo or Jersey do (and yes I know Holtz is in Vegas)

Getting Buium last year, the Jets started in the 2nd round. I think Chevy was legitimately trying to protect that one from happening.

You have Strammel vs Barlow, 2023

Ohgren and Yurov vs Mc Groarty/Yager and Lucius, 2022

Wallstedt and Lambos vs. Lucius, 2021

How these picks turn out are keys to where the two teams will be in the standings, in the future. As for now Rossi and Perfetti are two top 6 forwards with a lot of career to play, but the former seems to have turned the tide a little, in his favour.

perfetti definitely looked better than rossi to start, last year they were close, and this year rossi pulled ahead. lundell, looked better than perfetti to start, then was behind him, and now probably slightly ahead.

it's probably expected that similarly rated/ranked prospects are trading who looks or produces the best early in their careers. like you said a lot of career left & i don't want to say it's pointless however trying to accurately say who will have the best 10+ year career merely a few years in for similarly rated/ranked prospects or player has huge margins of error with so much uncertainty built in.

 

[Jet]

So if anyone says he has been bad, everyone else just should say you are right or take it as gospel, and if anyone brings up anything good that he has done they are just a blind apologist and their opinions or stats don’t matter. So basically only your opinions and stats matter? I have said this before many of the things you say are correct, but many of the things posters say about the good things he has done are also correct.

He still as bright future here and yes he does need to produce more. I don’t think he has been great the last 5 games but for about 15 before that, even though there weren’t a tonne of points, he was play fantastic hockey, doing all the little things that help teams win and was just unlucky for points. He needs to get back to that.

It's always a tough road for guys who aren't scoring the goals or making highight reel plays. Guys who consistently do little, important things are so valuable but often get the ire of fans. Iafallo is definitely a prime example.

Problem is Perfetti is a scorer, so if he's not doing that, the criticism is magnified. I've been on him too but have noticed the stuff he's been doing that's less glamorous but important. I think that stuff is what will give him the leash to play through it until he can get scoring again.

We really need a center for that line other than Namestnikov. When he's playing well I think he's competent and that line works, but he's struggled for a while now (I think he's hurt).

 

[Gm0ney]

It's to avoid people making ridiculous assumptions like gmoney does.

In a post critiquing his play or stats for solely this year I am apparently now part of this camp that implies he well never get it done offensively, which is bullshit.
and that's with even specifying my thoughts are of his play this season so far, not rest of his career.

Why are you so hostile and defensive? You don't like being lumped in with Sipowicz in my two-camps opinion? Get over yourself. You're in here posting about this during the game last night? Good lord...touch grass.

 

[DRW204]

Why are you so hostile and defensive? You don't like being lumped in with Sipowicz in my two-camps opinion? Get over yourself. You're in here posting about this during the game last night? Good lord...touch grass.

when people make bullshit assumptions i will defend my post/position. i responded to 1 post, that was a direct quote-and-reply to me. who made you the arbiter of when people are allowed to post or not? i guess Keystone & I need to go shovel some grass to touch .
you're still going on about this when the conversation has been dead and moved along. good lord is right.

 

[Buffdog]

Why are you so hostile and defensive? You don't like being lumped in with Sipowicz in my two-camps opinion? Get over yourself. You're in here posting about this during the game last night? Good lord...touch grass.

when people make bullshit assumptions i will defend my post/position. i responded to 1 post, that was a direct quote-and-reply to me. who made you the arbiter of when people are allowed to post or not? i guess Keystone & I need to go shovel some grass to touch .
you're still going on about this when the conversation has been dead and moved along. good lord is right.

When two posters who have argued with me in the past start arguing with each other

 

[Gm0ney]

when people make bullshit assumptions i will defend my post/position. i responded to 1 post, that was a direct quote-and-reply to me. who made you the arbiter of when people are allowed to post or not? i guess Keystone & I need to go shovel some grass to touch .
you're still going on about this when the conversation has been dead and moved along. good lord is right.

I wasn't even replying to you about the two camps thing, you just latched onto that as part of your general rant about how everyone's polishing Perfetti's knob in here. Yeah, we get it. He's been underwhelming and any stats or comparisons that attempt to refute, object or explain that are cherry picked fake news.

You've got like 25k posts and I don't remember ever getting into this kind of thing with you or thinking "here's an(other) unreasonable poster" but this thread you're going wild. I mean, I go wild too, sometimes - just for fun. But I'm not slapping people with white gloves demanding pistols at dawn for besmirching my honour, sir!

Also Keystone's only got 1600 posts, so he obviously doesn't need to touch grass...

 

[DRW204]

I wasn't even replying to you about the two camps thing, you just latched onto that as part of your general rant about how everyone's polishing Perfetti's knob in here. Yeah, we get it. He's been underwhelming and any stats or comparisons that attempt to refute, object or explain that are cherry picked fake news.

You've got like 25k posts and I don't remember ever getting into this kind of thing with you or thinking "here's an(other) unreasonable poster" but this thread you're going wild. I mean, I go wild too, sometimes - just for fun. But I'm not slapping people with white gloves demanding pistols at dawn for besmirching my honour, sir!

Also Keystone's only got 1600 posts, so he obviously doesn't need to touch grass...

And i don't remember you ever misrepresenting my posts, bullshit reaches of assumptions, or using a sliding-scale of stats or criteria until this exchange either.
Sorry, when i say he's underwhelming this season, and people bring up stats from last season... how exactly do you expect someone to respond here? for example; when CSV is having a good stretch do you bring up stats from last year as a counter? probably not, that'd be ridiculous.

Honestly not interested into getting a huge exchange of this. If you want to talk about Perfetti's play this year, which has been my intent, let me know.

 

[surixon]

It's always a tough road for guys who aren't scoring the goals or making highight reel plays. Guys who consistently do little, important things are so valuable but often get the ire of fans. Iafallo is definitely a prime example.

Problem is Perfetti is a scorer, so if he's not doing that, the criticism is magnified. I've been on him too but have noticed the stuff he's been doing that's less glamorous but important. I think that stuff is what will give him the leash to play through it until he can get scoring again.

We really need a center for that line other than Namestnikov. When he's playing well I think he's competent and that line works, but he's struggled for a while now (I think he's hurt).

The second line back looking like it did the beginning of the year.

Namestnikov can't make a play with the puck to save his life.

Ehlers back to being far too chaotic and risky

And Cole is back to being too passive offensively


The trio managed to play there way out of it before, but it's a line that has never really fully clicked this year even when playing well.

Honestly I'd like to see Cole put in the middle and someone with size that can get in on the forecheck and can cause havoc infront of the net played with them. They need someone to help them win pucks and with Namestnikov clearly injured he's not able to do the little things he usually does to maintain possesion.

 

[Huffer]

The second line back looking like it did the beginning of the year.

Namestnikov can't make a play with the puck to save his life.

Ehlers back to being far too chaotic and risky

And Cole is back to being too passive offensively


The trio managed to play there way out of it before, but it's a line that has never really fully clicked this year even when playing well.

Honestly I'd like to see Cole put in the middle and someone with size that can get in on the forecheck and can cause havoc infront of the net played with them. They need someone to help them win pucks and with Namestnikov clearly injured he's not able to do the little things he usually does to maintain possesion.

You really have to hope it's a situation where there are a few guys who just don't stylistically mesh well together as opposed to guys who are playing bad / stagnating / etc. At least that's what I hope it is obviously and we've seen really good play from each so there has to be some hope that a tweak or change (like you mention), could help the line.

 

[voyageur]

The second line back looking like it did the beginning of the year.

Namestnikov can't make a play with the puck to save his life.

Ehlers back to being far too chaotic and risky

And Cole is back to being too passive offensively


The trio managed to play there way out of it before, but it's a line that has never really fully clicked this year even when playing well.

Honestly I'd like to see Cole put in the middle and someone with size that can get in on the forecheck and can cause havoc infront of the net played with them. They need someone to help them win pucks and with Namestnikov clearly injured he's not able to do the little things he usually does to maintain possesion.

If Cole was going to play C, you'd have thought it would have been on the homestand, with Namestnikov not 100%. If the issue with Cole is skating, that might prevent him from ever being a center. So it's a real question mark as to how to make everyone work. I guess there might be a 2C out there who fits between Ehlers and Perfetti, but I don't know who that guy is. The one thing that stands out about the 2nd line is their inability to sustain zone time, their attack is through puck movement, but not a single guy can dominate on the boards, like any of the other lines.

 

[WolfHouse]

Again, names is injured so he gets a pass from me... perfetti is the odd man out on that line - he fits more with scheif but you cant break up csv

Hard to know what to do with perfetti - cant bench him or it will really get in his head

 

[10Ducky10]

Again, names is injured so he gets a pass from me... perfetti is the odd man out on that line - he fits more with scheif but you cant break up csv

Hard to know what to do with perfetti - cant bench him or it will really get in his head

Trade for a 2C (Cozens?) that has some size and can hockey and you will see Cole's points improve.

 

[DRW204]

If Cole was going to play C, you'd have thought it would have been on the homestand, with Namestnikov not 100%. If the issue with Cole is skating, that might prevent him from ever being a center. So it's a real question mark as to how to make everyone work. I guess there might be a 2C out there who fits between Ehlers and Perfetti, but I don't know who that guy is. The one thing that stands out about the 2nd line is their inability to sustain zone time, their attack is through puck movement, but not a single guy can dominate on the boards, like any of the other lines.

there really isn't a big difference between zone time in the top-6 lines.

the difference is the 2nd line doesn't volume of shots or chances outside of ehlers. names and perfetti are weak and non-threatening offensive players barely averaging 2 SOG/game combined. names can do a decent job at making himself available net front or clean-up duty, but other than that his offensive game isn't there.

 

[NA Hockey]

there really isn't a big difference between zone time in the top-6 lines.

the difference is the 2nd line doesn't volume of shots or chances outside of ehlers. names and perfetti are weak and non-threatening offensive players barely averaging 2 SOG/game combined. names can do a decent job at making him available net front or clean-up duty, but other than that his offensive game isn't there.

I know no one should challenge your stats but Perfetti (73) only has 11 less shots than the golden child villardi (84) over 43 games and Gabe plays with the best two passers on the teams. Cole also is 6th on the team in shots which is about where he should be expected to be given ice time and role.

He and Vlad have 117 shots combined which is 2.72 shots per game which is a lot more than “barely” 2 lol

Byfield has 70 shots and he is big and strong.

But carry on and don’t let the truth get in the way of your narrative.

 

[Finster8]

Looking at the 2020 Draft 1st overall
Alex L has 41-GP G-11 A-13 Pts-24 TOI/G 17:51
Quinton Byfield 2OA
GP-39 G-9 A-11 Pts-20 TOI/G-17:56
Alex Holtz 7OA GP-41 G-3 A-7 Pts Pts-10 TOI/G 11:44
Jack Quinn GP-25 G-7 A-9 Pts-16 TOI/G-15:08 8OA
Cole Perfetti GP-43 G-7 A-16 Pts-23 TOI/G-15:07 10OA

Cole has to step up his Offensive game thats a given however looking at others in his draft, half of the top 10 are taking time to adjust to the show. Nobody said it was going to be easy. I hope Cole has a chance to show he is capable of doing better, not always a given.

 

[voyageur]

there really isn't a big difference between zone time in the top-6 lines.

the difference is the 2nd line doesn't volume of shots or chances outside of ehlers. names and perfetti are weak and non-threatening offensive players barely averaging 2 SOG/game combined. names can do a decent job at making himself available net front or clean-up duty, but other than that his offensive game isn't there.

There was a couple of situations I noticed last night. One was Namestnikov in a board battle with zero support. No one would get in there and the Kings just won the puck with numbers. Another was puck moved below the goal line but no one would go to the wall. Playing above the goal line. Somebody has to want the puck. And I really wonder about the construct of a line that has to get the puck for Ehlers.

I was listening to a Perfetti interview on CJOB before the game, talking about his autograph session with Joe Daley, but also about the season.

Called the league humbling, said think you have it figured out and then it punches you in the face.

I'd just like to see him play away from Ehlers for a minute. If that's 4th line so be it. Something to get some confidence back.

 

[10Ducky10]

Perfetti Scheif Nino
KC Names Ehlers

 

[Adam da bomb]

Perfetti Scheif Nino
KC Names Ehlers

Kc and chief are one of the hottest duets in league.
Nino in top 6 would look good.
Kc and ehlers have same role.

 

[KingBogo]

There was a couple of situations I noticed last night. One was Namestnikov in a board battle with zero support. No one would get in there and the Kings just won the puck with numbers. Another was puck moved below the goal line but no one would go to the wall. Playing above the goal line. Somebody has to want the puck. And I really wonder about the construct of a line that has to get the puck for Ehlers.

I was listening to a Perfetti interview on CJOB before the game, talking about his autograph session with Joe Daley, but also about the season.

Called the league humbling, said think you have it figured out and then it punches you in the face.

I'd just like to see him play away from Ehlers for a minute. If that's 4th line so be it. Something to get some confidence back.

How to fix the 2nd line is the big question. I can't see Arniel wanting to mess with the 1st line trying to fix it, so it has to be a fix from somewhere else in the lineup or preferably Chevy finds a way to solve the #2 center hole permanently.

 

[voyageur]

How to fix the 2nd line is the big question. I can't see Arniel wanting to mess with the 1st line trying to fix it, so it has to be a fix from somewhere else in the lineup or preferably Chevy finds a way to solve the #2 center hole permanently.

Everything gets put on the guy who works the hardest on that line. For me Nino would be the guy. He was on that line last time Ehlers scored 5 on 5, against a 4th string goalie.

But I don't know if Arniel replaces Nino with Perfetti. More likely Barron or Kupari.

 

[KingBogo]

Everything gets put on the guy who works the hardest on that line. For me Nino would be the guy. He was on that line last time Ehlers scored 5 on 5, against a 4th string goalie.

But I don't know if Arniel replaces Nino with Perfetti. More likely Barron or Kupari.

I'd move up Nino as you could plug Iafallo onto the 3rd. The question is do you keep Names at center or do you try Perfetti back at center? Saying that, with some of his comments in preseason it didn't seem like Arniel was ever looking at Perfetti as an option for center.

 

[ps241]

Interesting. I have defended Cole in the past but he needs to take a step here.

Illegal curve brought up a good point on the cast today. It’s not just the 2nd line that has dried up. Even strength Lowry has one goal in his last 10 games, Nino has 1 goal in his last 15 games, Names 0, Fetts 0 in the last 10. Early in the season this team was riding the mother of all goal streaks but the middle six has gone dry scoring wise at 5v5.

I agree we need to get more productively out of this group and yes the 2nd line or is it 3B line has to be productive. I would say we don’t have a second line right now.

Seasons are long and players and lines go through ups and downs but this group needs to string together some results.

 

[DRW204]

Interesting. I have defended Cole in the past but he needs to take a step here.

Illegal curve brought up a good point on the cast today. It’s not just the 2nd line that has dried up. Even strength Lowry has one goal in his last 10 games, Nino has 1 goal in his last 15 games, Names 0, Fetts 0 in the last 10. Early in the season this team was riding the mother of all goal streaks but the middle six has gone dry scoring wise at 5v5.

I agree we need to get more productively out of this group and yes the 2nd line or is it 3B line has to be productive. I would say we don’t have a second line right now.

Seasons are long and players and lines go through ups and downs but this group needs to string together some results.

yup, brought this up in the post GDT before it got closed. the middle-6 in particular's full-year numbers look decent or solid, but that's mostly attributed to their hot start. their last 10, 20, 25 gp however you want to slice or dice it leaves a lot to be desired.
ie: using namestnikov and lowry as 2nd and 3rd line reference points over the last half of this season (22 gp)
2nd line: 1.78 GF/60
3rd line: 1.94 GF/60

they have not really tried anything else for a few games to see if there is a offensive spark or chemistry mix, & with the TDL approaching, i think it'd be beneficial to see if there are other combos that work that may dictate how much to actually spend.