Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[sipowicz]

Came to the Perfetan thread and all I'm reading is about Volaries!

Good thing Perfetan fooled Chevy into the new contract once by actually holding out, 2 years at $6.5 should set perfetan up nicely for life. Enjoy playing in Europe in a couple years kid!

 

[MardyBum]

Pretty small sample size all things considered. He put up quite a few points last year when he got minutes on the top unit. Things tend to even out over the long run. I can find 10 games samples for each of KC, Scheifele, Vilardi, Fly and JoMo where they did nothing on the top pp unit as well.

Our top unit this year was designed with roles that catered to the skill sets of the players expected to be in those roles. When Cole went on that unit it was to sit as a stationary bumper in the slot. He was largely used as a decoy as the top unit moved the puck around the outside trying to open up KC, Mark, or Vilardi down low. He didn't see a whole lot of puck touches with how they elected to run it. He started moving out of the slot and seeing the puck more near the end and that is when he was impacting the unit more positively.

Design a role that caters to his skill set on the top unit and results are likely better. That's what we are seeing with Fly this year. He didn't do much in past years on the top unit, but is this year due to a coach who designed something specifically for his game that fits with the rest of the group.

God it's nice having a PP coach who designs the PP around his players skills.

 

[Jet]

Since the trade Dubois has 21 goals in 122 games, Vilardi has 40 goals in 86 games. Iafallo has 17 goals for the Jets . Iafallo straight up for Dubois would be a even trade never mind adding Vilardi, Kupari and a 2nd round pick.

and thats not even factoring in the minutes and assignments IA gets vs. PLD

Then you consider what a f***ing bummer Dubois is and how he likely messes with the team's vibe.

Really no comparison.

 

[Gm0ney]

and thats not even factoring in the minutes and assignments IA gets vs. PLD

Then you consider what a f***ing bummer Dubois is and how he likely messes with the team's vibe.

Really no comparison.

Well, I'd say Washington's vibe is doing okay.

 

[Buffdog]

and thats not even factoring in the minutes and assignments IA gets vs. PLD

Then you consider what a f***ing bummer Dubois is and how he likely messes with the team's vibe.

Really no comparison.

From a purely roster construction perspective...

PLD was supposed to be the long term answer at 2C. So any trade analysis needs to in some way account for last years 1st round pick and any future assets we use your plug that hole (be it temporarily or long term)

I said it before the trade and I'll say it now... I'd have been OK keeping him at 8.5 if he looked it here and wanted to stay (and his play and attitude in the room reflected that)

 

[Finster8]

[QUOTE="gojetsgo,
it could be a number of different reasons, the point is his defenders keep bringing up that he doesn't get pp1 time but when he did he only manage 1 point in his 9 games...

So that means what? He had 9 games as u mentioned how does that very short span determine he is not able. How many games has KFC, 55, Vilardi, Ehlers played and developed their own chemistry? Needs more than 9 games to acquire all that is needed for a successful #1PP, that’s jokes to compare to veteran players on the #1PP all year.
The problem is simple you give him a chance to get his confidence and familiarity with his teammates. Look at his TOI compared to the other ones then comparisons can be made.
Since Junior he has had a sniper that he can feed and did it well. I don’t think Ehlers and Cole have the chemistry it just isn’t working. To blame it all on him is just ignorant to the whole situation. If it’s not in the cards well than at least you tried.
Be horrible to trade him and it all comes together for him as he has made substantial progress on another team with the proper people around him.
Worst case he gets u 50pts a year at 4th line ice time. 15min a game no PP1

 

[gojetsgo]

[QUOTE="gojetsgo,
it could be a number of different reasons, the point is his defenders keep bringing up that he doesn't get pp1 time but when he did he only manage 1 point in his 9 games...

So that means what? He had 9 games as u mentioned how does that very short span determine he is not able. How many games has KFC, 55, Vilardi, Ehlers played and developed their own chemistry? Needs more than 9 games to acquire all that is needed for a successful #1PP, that’s jokes to compare to veteran players on the #1PP all year.
The problem is simple you give him a chance to get his confidence and familiarity with his teammates. Look at his TOI compared to the other ones then comparisons can be made.
Since Junior he has had a sniper that he can feed and did it well. I don’t think Ehlers and Cole have the chemistry it just isn’t working. To blame it all on him is just ignorant to the whole situation. If it’s not in the cards well than at least you tried.
Be horrible to trade him and it all comes together for him as he has made substantial progress on another team with the proper people around him.
Worst case he gets u 50pts a year at 4th line ice time. 15min a game no PP1

you are right, nothing is ever perfetti's fault, his b2b season of not producing for long stretches are on everybody else....

 

[Buffdog]

you are right, nothing is ever perfetti's fault, his b2b season of not producing for long stretches are on everybody else....

It's the way it works around here with favorites

Cole can do nonwrong with some posters, while the same guys pin the JFK assassination on Stanley

That said, i think that there are also some folks being overly critical of Cole - probably at least partially as an unintended consequence of his vocal backers on here

 

[gojetsgo]

It's the way it works around here with favorites

Cole can do nonwrong with some posters, while the same guys pin the JFK assassination on Stanley

That said, i think that there are also some folks being overly critical of Cole - probably at least partially as an unintended consequence of his vocal backers on here

100%, you can't even say that he needs to start producing more without his backers trying to blame everyone else

 

[WolfHouse]

Without politics, perfetti should have spent time on the 4th line to get his confidence... think the guy is just too hard on himself

Nino-names-ehlers
Barron-lowry-apples
Iafallo-kupari-perfetti

 

[Finster8]

Hey whose doing the opposite saying he will never do anything. Called a point of view and you are obviously entitled to your own. JMO I still see a good young hockey player. My point of view

Edit- oops

 

[Huffer]

They could definitley use more production out of him for sure. Although I have been happy with his defensive game as well so far.

Cole seems more suited as a playmaker as opposed to a shooter, so as hypothetical ideas it would be interesting to either see him at centre for a bit with a shooter / power forward winger on one side, or if he stays on the wing, with a more shoot first centre type.

 

[NA Hockey]

100%, you can't even say that he needs to start producing more without his backers trying to blame everyone else

Of course he needs to produce more. He would tell you that. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t playing well. You can make contributions all over the ice without adding points.

Just because someone praises him and you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have to gooverboard in bashing him. Are you trying to make a point or just hurt someone’s feelings?

Without politics, perfetti should have spent time on the 4th line to get his confidence... think the guy is just too hard on himself

Nino-names-ehlers
Barron-lowry-apples
Iafallo-kupari-perfetti

Moving him to the fourth line would hurt his confidence more than It would help. I agree I think he is too hard on himself. It just looks like he wants it so bad that it gets in his headat times.

What team has 50 point pace guy playing that well defensively on the 4th line?

Beniers, Byfield, Pinto, Mercer Stankoven, Mactavish etc should be on the 4th line? They are producing less

 

[NA Hockey]

100%, you can't even say that he needs to start producing more without his backers trying to blame everyone else

I don’t think it’s to blame others but to show there are all kinds of factors that go into a players points or success. He is a factor in others success or lack of as well.

 

[Jets 31]

Well, I'd say Washington's vibe is doing okay.

It's a good thing they have other players putting the puck in the net because he only has 5 goals this season. Protas having a career year so far with 18 goals sure helps.

 

[gojetsgo]

Of course he needs to produce more. He would tell you that. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t playing well. You can make contributions all over the ice without adding points.

Just because someone praises him and you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have to overboard in bashing him. Are you trying to make a point or just hurt someone’s feelings?

lol... first off who's feelings am I hurting? are you related to perfetti? do you think perfetti is reading this board?

I am not even bashing him hard at all, simply saying he needs to start producing offence and stop going thru long stretches of adding nothing, and calling out the people that try to give him every excuse in the book....

"Just because someone praises him and you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have to overboard in bashing him."

what a load of bs, you are the one quoting me with every excuse in the book when all I say is he needs to start producing offensively...

 

[Jets 31]

I want Perfetti to get a shot at centering that 2nd line to see how it goes for him production wise. One thing about it he is playing a good defensive game and that's still helping the Jets not hurting. Now if his line was playing bad defensively and not producing now you have a problem but thankfully that's not happening.

 

[NA Hockey]

lol... first off who's feelings am I hurting? are you related to perfetti? do you think perfetti is reading this board?

I am not even bashing him hard at all, simply saying he needs to start producing offence and stop going thru long stretches of adding nothing, and calling out the people that try to give him every excuse in the book....

"Just because someone praises him and you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have to overboard in bashing him."

what a load of bs, you are the one quoting me with every excuse in the book when all I say is he needs to start producing offensively...

What I meant is it seems you go hard to make an over exaggerated point to whoever defends him.

Like I said I agree he has to produce more.

 

[gojetsgo]

What I meant is it seems you go hard to make an over exaggerated point to whoever defends him.

Like I said I agree he has to produce more.

ok, for now on when all I say is he has to produce more don't quote me since you seem to agree with that statement...

 

[Jets 31]

From a purely roster construction perspective...

PLD was supposed to be the long term answer at 2C. So any trade analysis needs to in some way account for last years 1st round pick and any future assets we use your plug that hole (be it temporarily or long term)

I said it before the trade and I'll say it now... I'd have been OK keeping him at 8.5 if he looked it here and wanted to stay (and his play and attitude in the room reflected that)

Dubois produced well when he was here but he didn't want to play for the Winnipeg Jets so shoo , shoo buggar off Dubois ya bastard.

 

[WolfHouse]

Moving him to the fourth line would hurt his confidence more than It would help. I agree I think he is too hard on himself. It just looks like he wants it so bad that it gets in his headat times.

What team has 50 point pace guy playing that well defensively on the 4th line?

Beniers, Byfield, Pinto, Mercer Stankoven, Mactavish etc should be on the 4th line? They are producing less

I mean Byfield did spend time on the fourth line and it helped him. McTavish is not a 2C imo. Mercer is 3rd line checking this year...

Our 'second line' is really only getting about 3 more mins than our fourth line/PK guys

I just still dont really see where he fits on the second line - he's not winning draws when he's 2C and he doesn't have chemistry with Ehlers

 

[DRW204]

So reading through the pages of Perfetti's play this year:
-apparently he's playing 4th line minutes
-his stats on pp1 this season do not count, but last year's do
-a call for more offense this year apparently means ppl want to trade him (don't think anyone has said this), writing him off completely for years to come.

Let me guess, this is all Rick Bowness' fault too?

I think it's warranted that the supposed highest upside offensive player, outside of ehlers, in the middle 6 should be producing much more.

How much flack from the Perfetti groupies would a poster receive if they predicted Perfetti would be in the same realm of offensive production as Namestnikov or the defense-first Lowry line? Or get all these ridiculous reaches of player comparables thrown at them?

Ofc there's half a season left so he can definitely turn it up, but to date he's been underwhelming.

 

[WolfHouse]

So reading through the pages of Perfetti's play this year:
-apparently he's playing 4th line minutes
-his stats on pp1 this season do not count, but last year's do
-a call for more offense this year apparently means ppl want to trade him (don't think anyone has said this), writing him off completely for years to come.

Let me guess, this is all Rick Bowness' fault too?

I think it's warranted that the supposed highest upside offensive player, outside of ehlers, in the middle 6 should be producing much more.

How much flack from the Perfetti groupies would a poster receive if they predicted Perfetti would be in the same realm of offensive production as Namestnikov or the defense-first Lowry line? Or get all these ridiculous reaches of player comparables thrown at them?

Ofc there's half a season left so he can definitely turn it up, but to date he's been underwhelming.

I would trade him in a heartbeat fro Dylan Cozens or Mason McTavish even if they have 'less points' - Perfetti doesn't fit our roster makeup for the foreseeable future...

 

[abax44]

It's a good thing they have other players putting the puck in the net because he only has 5 goals this season. Protas having a career year so far with 18 goals sure helps.

Wilson has 18, as well. Guess who those 2 are playing with?

 

[WolfHouse]

So reading through the pages of Perfetti's play this year:
-apparently he's playing 4th line minutes
-his stats on pp1 this season do not count, but last year's do
-a call for more offense this year apparently means ppl want to trade him (don't think anyone has said this), writing him off completely for years to come.

Let me guess, this is all Rick Bowness' fault too?

I think it's warranted that the supposed highest upside offensive player, outside of ehlers, in the middle 6 should be producing much more.

How much flack from the Perfetti groupies would a poster receive if they predicted Perfetti would be in the same realm of offensive production as Namestnikov or the defense-first Lowry line? Or get all these ridiculous reaches of player comparables thrown at them?

Ofc there's half a season left so he can definitely turn it up, but to date he's been underwhelming.

I distinctly.remember being told i was insane for suggesting that names would be our 2c over perfetti last season... and that it would be am 'abject failure' on the orgs part if oerfetti wasnt our 2c haha