Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[surixon]

Hard crowd. The kid outscores his matchups by a significant amount and has paced between 45 and 60 points all year. Yeah he's had a slump lately which has dropped his pace down to the low end of that scale. But we are just a week or so removed from him putting up 6 points in 6 games and pacing 55 points. Another mini hot steak and hes right back there while bring good defense and and much improved board play.

People have very little patience here. He also doesn't get 1st line minutes and 1st unit pp where the bast majority of our scoring comes from.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Wake me up when he puts up half the points Marner does.

Fair. Just not ruling him out because he is soft.

 

[Jet]

Hard crowd. The kid outscores his matchups by a significant amount and has paced between 45 and 60 points all year. Yeah he's had a slump lately which has dropped his pace down to the low end of that scale. But we are just a week or so removed from him putting up 6 points in 6 games and pacing 55 points. Another mini hot steak and hes right back there while bring good defense and and much improved board play.

People have very little patience here. He also doesn't get 1st line minutes and 1st unit pp where the bast majority of our scoring comes from.

Yeah, I'm probably way too hard on him. Just venting frustration when we are in a losing streak and that line isn't doing much to help. Of course that doesn't all fall on Perfetti's shoulders.

 

[surixon]

Yeah, I'm probably way too hard on him. Just venting frustration when we are in a losing streak and that line isn't doing much to help. Of course that doesn't all fall on Perfetti's shoulders.

Oh I get it. I've been plenty frustrated with this team lately as well. I just find he seems to be the easy target at forward much like how Stanley is on defense.

Personally I think our 5 on 5 game is catching up with us. It hasn't been great all year but a red hot pp and elite goaltending was more then enough to offset it. I am hoping that now that we should have more practice time Arniel starts to focus on cleaning things up in that game state.

 

[Jets 31]

Yeah, I'm probably way too hard on him. Just venting frustration when we are in a losing streak and that line isn't doing much to help. Of course that doesn't all fall on Perfetti's shoulders.

Just looking at Namestnikov's stats and that boy has to shoot the puck more. 4th best shooting percentage on the team at 21.4% , Barron has more shots on net than him. Namestnikov only has 40 shots on net so far this season.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Just looking at Namestnikov's stats and that boy has to shoot the puck more. 4th best shooting percentage on the team at 21.4% , Barron has more shots on net than him. Namestnikov only has 40 shots on net so far this season.

I wonder how much injuries has affected all of our players. It's easy to get frustrated, but, I wonder whenever a player's play takes a dive like his has or the dip in Ehlers play is because of injuries. We will never knw.

 

[Jets 31]

I wonder how much injuries has affected all of our players. It's easy to get frustrated, but, I wonder whenever a player's play takes a dive like his has or the dip in Ehlers play is because of injuries. We will never knw.

Very good point and i agree we probably have a handful of players playing with some kind of injury.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Very good point and i agree we probably have a handful of players playing with some kind of injury.

But, we will never know and it is so easy to get frustrated based on what we do know and expectations set by earlier play.

 

[surixon]

I wonder how much injuries has affected all of our players. It's easy to get frustrated, but, I wonder whenever a player's play takes a dive like his has or the dip in Ehlers play is because of injuries. We will never knw.

There is also the law of probability going on. Not everyone on the team can shoot 20 to 30% above their career norms like Scheifele, Vilardi, Namestnikov and Ehlers are. Some on the team like Barron and Perfetti will have less puck luck to even things out a bit.

 

[LowLefty]

Just looking at Namestnikov's stats and that boy has to shoot the puck more. 4th best shooting percentage on the team at 21.4% , Barron has more shots on net than him. Namestnikov only has 40 shots on net so far this season.

Valid point but really, he's just not much of a shooter and doesn't have much of a shot - he's more there to do some of the work in the dirty areas.
I wouldn't pull him out of the pile based on his offense when he really isn't the guy that should be producing on the line.

I've already said this a couple of times (along with others) - I'd put him back in the middle and moves Names down to the third.
The line does not have a net front guy and it might help to give that a shot.
I can see Ehlers and Perfetti staying together but add a winger that knows how to cycle and play the short game net front - as assembled, this line is usually one and done on offense and that might be a big part of the problem.

There are also a lot of calls for a 2C - it might come to that but I'd try other stuff first - 2C's are hard to come by and the options available might not be much of a step up on what we have.

 

[Adam da bomb]

There is also the law of probability going on. Not everyone on the team can shoot 20 to 30% above their career norms like Scheifele, Vilardi, Namestnikov and Ehlers are. Some on the team like Barron and Perfetti will have less puck luck to even things out a bit.

There is that. I also think from the eye perspective it's not just whether the puck goes in or not. When it goes in it definitely has an impact. Stan comes down and hits the crossbar, okay, nothing special. If the puck goes in we get excited and like him. Just a matter of inches between a goal and no goal.

 

[Jets 31]

But, we will never know and it is so easy to get frustrated based on what we do know and expectations set by earlier play.

We should still be winning every game though you know especially with any team with less points than us ........

 

[Adam da bomb]

We should still be winning every game though you know especially with any team with less points than us ........

Luckily, there aren't many of those.

 

[DRW204]

Hard crowd. The kid outscores his matchups by a significant amount and has paced between 45 and 60 points all year. Yeah he's had a slump lately which has dropped his pace down to the low end of that scale. But we are just a week or so removed from him putting up 6 points in 6 games and pacing 55 points. Another mini hot steak and hes right back there while bring good defense and and much improved board play.

People have very little patience here. He also doesn't get 1st line minutes and 1st unit pp where the bast majority of our scoring comes from.

he has 3 5v5 goals on the year, 2 came in the same game. his play-making is not that great either. his on-ice stats look good b/c his linemates put the puck in the net, and he has hellebuyck behind him.

hilarious that you paint folks on here as "hard crowd" meanwhile you do the yearly HOF or near-HOF comparisons.... and when he does his disappointment act (especially against those expectations) it's bullshit excuses and "hard crowd" type reactions from you.

Just looking at Namestnikov's stats and that boy has to shoot the puck more. 4th best shooting percentage on the team at 21.4% , Barron has more shots on net than him. Namestnikov only has 40 shots on net so far this season.

all of namestnikov's goals come in front of the net, where he'll shoot a high%. i dont find him or his shot threatening at all.

 

[NA Hockey]

Havent given up but its getting close. I mean if he hasnt done much of anything on the wing, i dont like the odds of him all of a sudden putting it all together at center.

Pacing for near 50 points, while playing high level defence and hitting and blocking more shots than most other jets forwards also while qbing the second pp. sure he hasn’t done much of anything. Hasn’t been much of finisher lately but play making is still high end and puck luck will eventually change and those posts will turn into goals.

More points at way less money than the number 1 and 2 pick from his draft as well btw.

 

[DRW204]

Yeah, I'm probably way too hard on him. Just venting frustration when we are in a losing streak and that line isn't doing much to help. Of course that doesn't all fall on Perfetti's shoulders.

he has 3 goals and 12 pts on 24 on-ice goals for, some of the lowest %-to-total of the fwds on the team. he's not pulling his weight & its completely warranted that the spot-light is on him. especially when he decided to delay signing in order to try and squeeze more money out the Jets, you'd think he'd go out with a fire and rip it up.

prior to the season how many people had him in the same tier of scoring as journeyman players like namestnikov? or defense-first players like lowry, appleton? i recall a galaxy-brained poster making the comparison he'll breakout like scheifele in 2016. i guess we still have half a season left for that to expectation to come true. but i just have not seen that upside with him (not saying he's bad).

 

[voyageur]

he has 3 5v5 goals on the year, 2 came in the same game. his play-making is not that great either. his on-ice stats look good b/c his linemates put the puck in the net, and he has hellebuyck behind him.

hilarious that you paint folks on here as "hard crowd" meanwhile you do the yearly HOF or near-HOF comparisons.... and when he does his disappointment act (especially against those expectations) it's bullshit excuses and "hard crowd" type reactions from you.


all of namestnikov's goals come in front of the net, where he'll shoot a high%. i dont find him or his shot threatening at all.

4 goals I believe, which is kind of surprising. It's funny though that Namestnikov has double the total and everybody says he can't play on that line.

I like Perfetti's maturation, but the speed is still an issue. There's so many good things he does, physically he's improved considerably, but you wonder with those results if he doesn't end up on the 4th line come playoff time. 8 ES goals for the season isn't a 2nd line scoring pace.

I think it would be really interesting to see if Chibrikov couldn't produce more in the same spot. With more speed, and finish.

 

[NA Hockey]

he has 3 5v5 goals on the year, 2 came in the same game. his play-making is not that great either. his on-ice stats look good b/c his linemates put the puck in the net, and he has hellebuyck behind him.

hilarious that you paint folks on here as "hard crowd" meanwhile you do the yearly HOF or near-HOF comparisons.... and when he does his disappointment act (especially against those expectations) it's bullshit excuses and "hard crowd" type reactions from you.


all of namestnikov's goals come in front of the net, where he'll shoot a high%. i dont find him or his shot threatening at

Bolded comment above made me remember that you have made comments like that before. It’s like the constant negativity you talk about Perfetti is because of how mad other posters have made you praising him. So it is like, to get back at those who you believe praise him too much, you are extra hard and you use extreme language about how bad he is.

I will say this, he is no HoFer and he has a ways to go in his development to be a finished product but he is a big contributor on a top team who has done a lot of very good things and continues to improve.

 

[DRW204]

4 goals I believe, which is kind of surprising. It's funny though that Namestnikov has double the total and everybody says he can't play on that line.

I like Perfetti's maturation, but the speed is still an issue. There's so many good things he does, physically he's improved considerably, but you wonder with those results if he doesn't end up on the 4th line come playoff time. 8 ES goals for the season isn't a 2nd line scoring pace.

I think it would be really interesting to see if Chibrikov couldn't produce more in the same spot. With more speed, and finish.

according to naturalstatrick's 5v5 stats he has 3. namestnikov can play on that line but he's not a driver of offense at all, so to me that line really works when you have 2 players pushing offense with namestnikov doing support or clean up work, which i think he does an adequate job at.

Namestnikov averages less than 1 SOG/gm, i have not found him some great playmaker this season compared to last. he's a good support player, but shouldn't be counted on for driving offense really. it took the great Kucherov to get him to 40 pts 1x in 12 seasons.

 

[NA Hockey]

4 goals I believe, which is kind of surprising. It's funny though that Namestnikov has double the total and everybody says he can't play on that line.

I like Perfetti's maturation, but the speed is still an issue. There's so many good things he does, physically he's improved considerably, but you wonder with those results if he doesn't end up on the 4th line come playoff time. 8 ES goals for the season isn't a 2nd line scoring pace.

I think it would be really interesting to see if Chibrikov couldn't produce more in the same spot. With more speed, and finish.

Chiba has 1 point in last 6 and 2 in his last 9 playing in the AHL. His ppg in the AHL this year is .56 ppg while getting prime opportunities.

That is the same ppg as Perfetti has in the NHL (which is exponentially more difficult obviously) and all you do is complain about how many points Perfetti has lol

 

[NA Hockey]

 

[voyageur]

Chiba has 1 point in last 6 and 2 in his last 9 playing in the AHL. His ppg in the AHL this year is .56 ppg while getting prime opportunities.

That is the same ppg as Perfetti has in the NHL (which is exponentially more difficult obviously) and all you do is complain about how many points Perfetti has lol

I like Perfetti, I wonder about him playing him C, I'm on the fence there, because he's clearly not as good of a skater as Namestnikov, and you have some tough matchups on the horizon. But if he's not the 2C, I don't think Ehlers-Perfetti is a great winger combination, I've been pretty consistent there.

It is worth noting that Chibrikov has 2 less ES goals than Fetts this year, in 37 less games. And it's funny because both him and Fetts have half their totals against the powerhouse Golden Knights, which I don't know what that means.

 

[Finster8]

Here is how some other higher draft picks are doing this year from 2020.
Alex Lafreniere GP-29 G-9 A-13 22-Pt
Quinton Byfield GP-38 G-9 A-11 20-Pt
Alex Holtz GP-39 G-3 A-11 Pt-14
Jack Quinn GP-33 G-6 A-9 Pt-15
Anton Lundell GP-39 G-9 A-16 Pt-25

Cole is holding his own as some are turning 23 and others 24. All still are young enough to obviously get better.
Cole does have a complete game. He is winning battles in the corners, his ability to read the immediate situation and react in his end, not a liability like coughing up the puck in any zone. But let’s just always talk about immediately if he is in a slump. As the players mentioned above are having their own problems. 5 min a period no 1PP I hope he gets traded and gets a fresh start like many mentioned above

 

[bishop12]

I remember when he was drafted thinking it was a steal for the Jets. I liken Perfetti to Marc Savard. Do you guys see him being a slow burn, eventually getting there, or is the game too fast for him?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Mostly agree, but I'd be cautious about moving a good prospect. Cole has to be tried at C, he actually suits center so much more.
Nino Perfetti Ehlers
This would give some speed on the wings, nino some size and a net driver.

I think it is time for another trial of Cole at C before we go making any moves.