Cole Caufield: Is this the year?

[WeThreeKings]

Can't have 2 pint sized forwards in your top6. The correct play would have been to trade CC for a legit RHD and draft Michkov. Either way however, CC is not a bad player. He's a perimeter sniper, and a usefull tool to have on the PP..

I said the same with hutson.. the kid is the same size as peewee players..

Small doesn't work. Small and weak even worse..

To be effective in todays NHL you need to have Speed, Size, strength and Grit.

No one is trading you a legitimate RHD for Caufield.. similarly it would be difficult to even trade Michkov for a top end RHD.

RHD are always going to be more valuable than small scoring wingers.

 

[Ozmodiar]

To be effective in todays NHL you need to have Speed, Size, strength and Grit.

A team needs these qualities, not each individual player. Just look at Florida’s top 6 with Verhaeghe, Rodrigues and Reinhart.

CC is an opportunistic scorer. There’s a little cheat in his game, as there has to be with this type of player. Is he a line-driving, 200ft, all-round top player? No. Does he have to be? No.

I would like to see him clean up his puck security. His play off the 1/2 wall has been a tragedy.

 

[themilosh]

You know what wins cups?

Goals.

agreed.. but in playoffs, the checking is tighter, less penalties, no OT, etc.... same issue with Debrincat, Gaudreau, etc....

No one is trading you a legitimate RHD for Caufield.. similarly it would be difficult to even trade Michkov for a top end RHD.

RHD are always going to be more valuable than small scoring wingers.

and that is why Hugo selected Rainman.. pretty simple. Rightly or wrongly, it was the correct choice.

 

[Mrb1p]

A team needs these qualities, not each individual player. Just look at Florida’s top 6 with Verhaeghe, Rodrigues and Reinhart.

CC is an opportunistic scorer. There’s a little cheat in his game, as there has to be with this type of player. Is he a line-driving, 200ft, all-round top player? No. Does he have to be? No.

I would like to see him clean up his puck security. His play off the 1/2 wall has been a tragedy.

Nobody wants him to be that. We just don't want him to be Hoffman and right now, he's a worse Hoffman.

 

[themilosh]

A team needs these qualities, not each individual player. Just look at Florida’s top 6 with Verhaeghe, Rodrigues and Reinhart.

CC is an opportunistic scorer. There’s a little cheat in his game, as there has to be with this type of player. Is he a line-driving, 200ft, all-round top player? No. Does he have to be? No.

I would like to see him clean up his puck security. His play off the 1/2 wall has been a tragedy.

where I'm most disappointed with CC is his inability to ignite possession zone-entry.. it seems all he is really good at (and he is elite) is one timer snipe from the wing.

 

[Mrb1p]

where I'm most disappointed with CC is his inability to ignite possession zone-entry.. it seems all he is really good at (and he is elite) is one timer snipe from the wing.

That's fine. He can he good at one thing, well very good and even great at one thing. He cannot, and I can't stress this enough, he cannot be straight up bad at everything else.

Not only does he not provide any value, but he actually costs the team possession wise, defensively, etc.

 

[themilosh]

That's fine. He can he good at one thing, well very good and even great at one thing. He cannot, and I can't stress this enough, he cannot be straight up bad at everything else.

Not only does he not provide any value, but he actually costs the team possession wise, defensively, etc.

well, beyond my concerns - I have been beating the drums to STOP drafting small players... I have the same issues with Hutson... Since our Petrov days, it seems the Habs are still enamored with the roadrunner types.... might have been fun to watch them when the league was slow - but everyone is fast now..

 

[Mrb1p]

well, beyond my concerns - I have been beating the drums to STOP drafting small players... I have the same issues with Hutson... Since our Petrov days, it seems the Habs are still enamored with the roadrunner types.... might have been fun to watch them when the league was slow - but everyone is fast now..

Hutson was a 62nd overall and is, seemingly excellent at a lot more things than just shooting. I'm not going to talk about him.

I don't care about size. Palat, Gourde, Point, Kucherov, Johnson. Its always what I go back to. Aside from Johnson, there's not one player there that is as flawed as Cole.

 

[themilosh]

Hutson was a 62nd overall and is, seemingly excellent at a lot more things than just shooting. I'm not going to talk about him.

I don't care about size. Palat, Gourde, Point, Kucherov, Johnson. Its always what I go back to. Aside from Johnson, there's not one player there that is as flawed as Cole.

all these guys are from 1 organization.... lol..

anyways - who are you selecting with our lottery pick this year?

I would love to target E.Pettersson out of Vancouver... he's fallen out of favour with them, and they are in win now mode... CC+Dach+Gally+whomever else they want. AFAIC Suzuki and Slaf are our only true building blocks (at forward).

 

[Ozmodiar]

AFAIC Suzuki and Slaf are our only true building blocks (at forward).

Yes, if you aren’t including prospects.

That package isn’t close. Dach and CC not enough and you’re adding a negative in Gally.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

agreed.. but in playoffs, the checking is tighter, less penalties, no OT, etc.... same issue with Debrincat, Gaudreau, etc....

1- Caufield has already produced in the playoffs

2- he's by and large an even strenght scorer and this whole notion of needing powerplays for him to score, needs to die. Same for OT.

From the point MSL started coaching up to Caufield's surgery, he had 48 goals in 83 games and 36 of those were at evenstrenght. Only 2 goals of the 48 were in OT.

You simply lazily pretend last year was his norm when it's the opposite, as the end of last season and early present season are showing his usual propensity for 5-on-5 scoring. He has 14 goals in his last 16 games and lo and behold, 11 of those goals were at even-strenght.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

where I'm most disappointed with CC is his inability to ignite possession zone-entry.. it seems all he is really good at (and he is elite) is one timer snipe from the wing.

Another misconception and myth. Caufield scores the great majority of his goals on wristers.

Just quit, man. You repeat things said by people who don't watch him play.

Go look at the scorecards of his goals. It's mostly wristers with only about 20% on one-timers.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yes, if you aren’t including prospects.

That package isn’t close. Dach and CC not enough and you’re adding a negative in Gally.

EP's value is declining fast

 

[morhilane]

1- Caufield has already produced in the playoffs

In a single playoffs run which isn't proof of anything based on Gallagher, 11 pts in 17 games in his first playoffs in his age 21 season. Never came close to matching that in any other season where the team made it.

 

[Mrb1p]

all these guys are from 1 organization.... lol..

anyways - who are you selecting with our lottery pick this year?
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I would love to target E.Pettersson out of Vancouver... he's fallen out of favour with them, and they are in win now mode... CC+Dach+Gally+whomever else they want. AFAIC Suzuki and Slaf are our only true building blocks (at forward).

Thats the point, all these guys in a single organisation have been able to win. It's not about size, it's never been about size.

I've been a fan of Martone for 4 years now, I'm his biggest fan, it's not hard to know who I'm picking. I also don't think Hagens is that good.

I think Suzuki and Guhle are the only two real proven building blocks we have, Slaf and Demidov are like 99.99% probability (One on some weird regression scare and one on a technicality) and Hage, Hutson and Reinbacher have the talent for it, but are unconfirmed.

Also, by and large, EP40 has been asbolutely terrible since signing his contract.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

In a single playoffs run which isn't proof of anything

It's proof that he produced versus a narrative based on myths. I guess you prefer myths and also comparing him to a player who doesn't play the same game nor had the same level of talent. GTFO with that Gallagher example.

It's really funny that you try to deny his actual production, but you don't mention how the person I responded to had zero valid arguments that proves the opposite.

PP scorer, OT scorer, one-timer specialist. All of these are myths and complete exagerations used as reductions to frame a narrative.

Now the new narrative is: what he did in the playoffs doesn't count. He won't be able to reproduce it because Gallagher wasn't able to. SMDH.

 

[GoodKiwi]

Fun fact: Caufield has 13 goals in his last 13 games dating back to last year.

Also 48 in 82 at some point.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

agreed.. but in playoffs, the checking is tighter, less penalties, no OT, etc.... same issue with Debrincat, Gaudreau, etc....

Mike Cammaleiri scored like crazy in the playoffs.

I see zero reason right now to believe he can’t score in the postseason, especially when he was able score in the playoff run as a raw rookie.

At the end of the day the way we determine who wins a hockey game is based on who scores more GOALS. That’s what CC is best at. You don’t dump that kind of talent.

where I'm most disappointed with CC is his inability to ignite possession zone-entry.. it seems all he is really good at (and he is elite) is one timer snipe from the wing.

Again, he’s done this his whole career. His possession numbers have always been stellar.

well, beyond my concerns - I have been beating the drums to STOP drafting small players... I have the same issues with Hutson... Since our Petrov days, it seems the Habs are still enamored with the roadrunner types.... might have been fun to watch them when the league was slow - but everyone is fast now..

So… you wouldn’t have drafted CC 15th overall? Really?

In a single playoffs run which isn't proof of anything based on Gallagher, 11 pts in 17 games in his first playoffs in his age 21 season. Never came close to matching that in any other season where the team made it.

So, you say he can’t score in the playoffs… you’re shown he can - as a raw rookie- and then you say it doesn’t count and we can’t know.

If we can’t know then don’t say he can’t score in the playoffs.

 

[themilosh]

1- Caufield has already produced in the playoffs

2- he's by and large an even strenght scorer and this whole notion of needing powerplays for him to score, needs to die. Same for OT.

From the point MSL started coaching up to Caufield's surgery, he had 48 goals in 83 games and 36 of those were at evenstrenght. Only 2 goals of the 48 were in OT.

You simply lazily pretend last year was his norm when it's the opposite, as the end of last season and early present season are showing his usual propensity for 5-on-5 scoring. He has 14 goals in his last 16 games and lo and behold, 11 of those goals were at even-strenght.

I also said he is an elite sniper.. but nothing else, when he has the puck nobody is getting out of their seats.. it's when he comes off the half wall for a one timer.. teams know this now. While his shot is unpredictable, his positioning and routes are easy to contain.

 

[themilosh]

Another misconception and myth. Caufield scores the great majority of his goals on wristers.

Just quit, man. You repeat things said by people who don't watch him play.

Go look at the scorecards of his goals. It's mostly wristers with only about 20% on one-timers.

A said he snipes.. as in he knows how to score with accuracy. Wrister, snap, slap.. one timer with slight hesitation can also be a wrister..

 

[themilosh]

Thats the point, all these guys in a single organisation have been able to win. It's not about size, it's never been about size.

I've been a fan of Martone for 4 years now, I'm his biggest fan, it's not hard to know who I'm picking. I also don't think Hagens is that good.

I think Suzuki and Guhle are the only two real proven building blocks we have, Slaf and Demidov are like 99.99% probability (One on some weird regression scare and one on a technicality) and Hage, Hutson and Reinbacher have the talent for it, but are unconfirmed.

Also, by and large, EP40 has been asbolutely terrible since signing his contract.

Hagens is listed at 5'10".. give me Martone. Ill be happy, even though hes a winger..

E.P reminds me of a young markus naslund.. swedes are very cold, cerebral players.. often misunderstood.. he has the talent of a 1C (and is paid as such), but i think he'd be stellar as a 2C.

Consider it a $3m luxury tax.. he should be 7.5m/yr. So what. Besides, i think he's been playing hurt. .. i really hop hugo is looking at him.. theres a trade to be made for sure, and we are the perfect partners fir Vancouver

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I also said he is an elite sniper.. but nothing else, when he has the puck nobody is getting out of their seats.. it's when he comes off the half wall for a one timer.. teams know this now. While his shot is unpredictable, his positioning and routes are easy to contain.

I don’t agree. He’s got vision and even a little bit of flash. Makes some great passes and has real offensive talent.

But I do agree that he’s not a Lafleur type who’s going to dazzle you on every play. That doesn’t really matter though. When healthy he’s been extremely productive.

 

[Andrei79]

I don't understand how people can look at all the progress Caufield has made to his game and still criticize him as he's scoring a bunch of goals to boot.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don't understand how people can look at all the progress Caufield has made to his game and still criticize him as he's scoring a bunch of goals to boot.

Agree.

However, that line has mostly gotten outplayed this year. CC’s shots are way down from where they normally are. It’s only eight games in so nothing to be worried about but that line needs to get things in gear.

You always want to examine the underlying numbers when you’re looking at a player. It doesn’t tell you everything but it does give you info you may not have had. Last year he was fantastic at getting pucks on net. He didn’t get the right result but we know he was doing what he was supposed to.

This year, the results are there but the shot totals aren’t where you want them to be. He’s shooting at a 32 percent rate. Fantastic, but that’s not going to last.

 

[Redux91]

Ok
Could be the year lol