alright i've seen both in wjc i know its not the best reference ..Flames Draft Watcher said:How can you say that? Care to prove it to us? How much of each guy have you seen live?
Seven_Nation_Army said:Suter...Bloodlines...Period
Brett LindrosDJyellow said:that doesn't mean a thing...
Brent Gretzky? Ryan Sittler? Brian Sakic? Chris/Peter Ferraro?
one question .. have you ever seen suter?Nik#11 said:Colaiacovo
Anyone drafted in the top 10 gets hyped beyond belief on this board. In a few cases it turns out to be justified, but the majority of the time the player is overrated big-time. I'm betting that Suter falls into the overrated category. Also, when comparing prospects, most people here will always pick the guy who's drafted/rated higher, unless the lower guy is someone they're a particular fan of. Of course, Leafs prospects never get any respect either -- partly because people hate the Leafs, and also partly because none of the Leafs good prospects were drafted in the top 15 (Antropov was the only Leaf prospect that's ever been given a lot of respect around here and he was taken #10).
Yes, the Leafs ratings are pretty screwed up. Kondratiev is only a 6, and should be at least a 7, for instance. I remember arguing at length with the old editor about that a couple years ago (he was something like 5 or 5.5 at the time), and his credentials alone should have indicated he was one of our best prospects, so it's not like his emergence at training camp is a big surprise. Then you have a guy like Immonen who was very impressive in camp but isn't even on their radar (4) - granted, he wasn't on many people's radar.
That said, I don't see a big problem with Colaiacovo's rating. He should definitely be at least 7.5, no matter how much you dislike him or the Leafs, based on what he showed in the NHL last year. An 8 just means he's projected to be a #1 defenseman. That's absolutely what he's likely to be. He should have no problem being one of the top 20-30 D in scoring on a consistent basis, and certainly has the brains to be well above average defensively. He could be even better than that. And unlike Suter, his projection isn't largely conjecture, but rather is based on seeing him play against actual NHL competition.
I agree. We should go ahead and label him a bust because he was drafted in the top 10.Nik#11 said:Colaiacovo
Anyone drafted in the top 10 gets hyped beyond belief on this board. In a few cases it turns out to be justified, but the majority of the time the player is overrated big-time.
got attachment?Nik#11 said:Colaiacovo
Anyone drafted in the top 10 gets hyped beyond belief on this board. In a few cases it turns out to be justified, but the majority of the time the player is overrated big-time. I'm betting that Suter falls into the overrated category. Also, when comparing prospects, most people here will always pick the guy who's drafted/rated higher, unless the lower guy is someone they're a particular fan of. Of course, Leafs prospects never get any respect either -- partly because people hate the Leafs, and also partly because none of the Leafs good prospects were drafted in the top 15 (Antropov was the only Leaf prospect that's ever been given a lot of respect around here and he was taken #10).
Yes, the Leafs ratings are pretty screwed up. Kondratiev is only a 6, and should be at least a 7, for instance. I remember arguing at length with the old editor about that a couple years ago (he was something like 5 or 5.5 at the time), and his credentials alone should have indicated he was one of our best prospects, so it's not like his emergence at training camp is a big surprise. Then you have a guy like Immonen who was very impressive in camp but isn't even on their radar (4) - granted, he wasn't on many people's radar.
That said, I don't see a big problem with Colaiacovo's rating. He should definitely be at least 7.5, no matter how much you dislike him or the Leafs, based on what he showed in the NHL last year. An 8 just means he's projected to be a #1 defenseman. That's absolutely what he's likely to be. He should have no problem being one of the top 20-30 D in scoring on a consistent basis, and certainly has the brains to be well above average defensively. He could be even better than that. And unlike Suter, his projection isn't largely conjecture, but rather is based on seeing him play against actual NHL competition.
dulzhok said:I agree. We should go ahead and label him a bust because he was drafted in the top 10.
Kryoptix said:one question .. have you ever seen suter?
and why are u saying he's overrated ?...
Actually, I comprehended perfectly what you said. The only thing you said about Suter was that he was drafted in the top 10 and that top 10 players are "hyped" and "overrated." They you went on to say that you're "betting that Suter falls into the overrated category." The only reasoning given was that he was a top 10 pick. So you might want to explain yourself a little more. But being that you've only seen Suter once, I really doubt that you can give an educated opinion on him.Nik#11 said:Look! Another Reading Comprehension 101 dropout.
so true thats 2 questionsNik#11 said:That's two questions.
1. Only once.
2. In this thread he's being overrated. People are saying he'll be FAR better than Colaiacovo. To me that's rather presumptuous, and there's little reason to believe that other than homerism (or anti-Leafism).
dulzhok said:Actually, I comprehended perfectly what you said. The only thing you said about Suter was that he was drafted in the top 10 and that top 10 players are "hyped" and "overrated." They you went on to say that you're "betting that Suter falls into the overrated category." The only reasoning given was that he was a top 10 pick. So you might want to explain yourself a little more. But being that you've only seen Suter once, I really doubt that you can give an educated opinion on him.
dulzhok said:Actually, I comprehended perfectly what you said. The only thing you said about Suter was that he was drafted in the top 10 and that top 10 players are "hyped" and "overrated." They you went on to say that you're "betting that Suter falls into the overrated category."
BlueAndWhite said:As well, most people seem to instantly associate the word "overrated" with bust (not saying you are one those in particular dulzhok). A guy can be overrated and still be a damn fine player/prospect.