GDT: COL @ WPG: Checkmate (COL Leads 3-1): 9:30p ET

[Alienblood]

Also missing LOC who was having a great season

Nichushkin is the best player on this team and I'm tired of pretending that he is not

MVP no doubt about it.

 

[crusen86]

Nichushkin is the best player in NHL history and I'm tired of pretending that he is not

FTFY

 

[Tommy Shelby]

More like 5buyck am I right

 

[RockLobster]

Does anyone have all 5 of the Deserve To Win O’Meters?

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Does anyone have all 5 of the Deserve To Win O’Meters?

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Aside from Game 3, the Jets haven't come close to deserving a single win in this series. Keep doing what we're doing in Game 5, do not let up or relent. They do not have an answer for our forecheck, speed, and talent.

In that 5 game series not once did the Jets "deserve" to win according to money puck. Tonight was the closest, and that meets the eye test, but there should be no grounds for complaint from Jets fans. Avs deserved this series and they took it.

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[Gatorbait19]

Remember when the Jets hadn’t allowed more than 3 goals since November… good times

We scored 5+ goals as many times in 5 games as the jets gave up the final 78 games of the regular season

 

[chet1926]

So can anyone tell me how the Vilardi hit on Cale was originally called a major and then determined to be nothing. All I can guess is they didn't see it, called it a major to review it, then watched it and somehow determined no penalty.

I don't think it was a major, but it was textbook interference and a cheap shot to player nowhere near the puck. Not sure how it was deemed nothing.

 

[Chiarelli]

So can anyone tell me how the Vilardi hit on Cale was originally called a major and then determined to be nothing. All I can guess is they didn't see it, called it a major to review it, then watched it and somehow determined no penalty.

I don't think it was a major, but it was textbook interference and a cheap shot to player nowhere near the puck. Not sure how it was deemed nothing.

Ya I thought it could have been interference as well but at that point in the game/series I understand why nothing was called. It was an intentional cheap shot by Vilardi for sure

 

[Avs9296]

So can anyone tell me how the Vilardi hit on Cale was originally called a major and then determined to be nothing. All I can guess is they didn't see it, called it a major to review it, then watched it and somehow determined no penalty.

I don't think it was a major, but it was textbook interference and a cheap shot to player nowhere near the puck. Not sure how it was deemed nothing.

Basically ya, they called it a major so they could take a look at it. It definitely wasn't a major but maybe 2 minutes for interference.

 

[forsbergavs32]

So who has that CMac waking up gif? Because that’s how I woke up this morning after that series win.

 

[henchman21]

So can anyone tell me how the Vilardi hit on Cale was originally called a major and then determined to be nothing. All I can guess is they didn't see it, called it a major to review it, then watched it and somehow determined no penalty.

I don't think it was a major, but it was textbook interference and a cheap shot to player nowhere near the puck. Not sure how it was deemed nothing.

They likely called a major due to the result of the play more than seeing it. Thats the only way to review the play for a penalty. Upon review, they likely just determined it to be a normal faceoff battle than blatant interference. Not that I agree, but that’s likely what happened.

Interference in hockey is like holding in the NFL. You can call it on any play if you really want. Most refs have a standard of letting a certain amount go and typically faceoffs get a lot of leeway.

That said, Vilardi did that on purpose with the idea that it would be a tough penalty to actually call.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

 

[chet1926]

They likely called a major due to the result of the play more than seeing it. Thats the only way to review the play for a penalty. Upon review, they likely just determined it to be a normal faceoff battle than blatant interference. Not that I agree, but that’s likely what happened.

Interference in hockey is like holding in the NFL. You can call it on any play if you really want. Most refs have a standard of letting a certain amount go and typically faceoffs get a lot of leeway.

That said, Vilardi did that on purpose with the idea that it would be a tough penalty to actually call.

I get interference is all over the place but an obvious forearm shiver to a players upper chest, neck region, that clearly knocked the wind out of player that was nowhere near the puck seems like a fairly easy one to call.

It's the equivalent of an offensive tackle getting beat and then straight throwing a guy to the ground so the quarterback doesn't get lit up.

I get playoffs 3rd period, Vilardi's team of down 2 with 10 mins left but the NHL can't miss that, especially after reviewing it.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Criticizing is fine.

He also allowed 8 goals in the next four games combined and came up with some big saves. Did you acknowledge it at all?

A ton of people have acknowledged his improved play since game 1?

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

Pumped about that W still. Jets played their best game of the series IMO. I thought that the MittelJost line looked markedly pedestrian last night, Bowness did a good job getting Shief away from him. Love to see MacK-Rants wake up a bit at the end there. They still have so much more to give. Frail still frail but very elite. George, I'm honestly happy for him to play the rest of the series the way he did after than shitshow of a first game. I, as well as others, ripped on him hard and then he turned things around and got the job done. I think Kovalenko should not see another shift of playoff action. The kid is just out of his element and looks beyond lost out there. That turnover he had at out blue line was bench worthy in it's own right and his loss of coverage on the Toffoli goal is just no bueno. Get him started off with a clean slate next season to truly try and gauge what we have there.

Would love to see Drouin/Landy or both return for the 2nd round. Here's to the Stars and Knights beating each other up for another 3 games!

Totally agree on Kovalenko. People want to blame George for the goal but Toffoli has a superb wrist shot and he had an unobstructive lane to the net from the high slot - because Kovalenko collided with Colton on the coverage. George was a bit late following Tyler's path and George just missed getting it with his blocker.

That's ALL on Kovalenko.

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

So can anyone tell me how the Vilardi hit on Cale was originally called a major and then determined to be nothing. All I can guess is they didn't see it, called it a major to review it, then watched it and somehow determined no penalty.

I don't think it was a major, but it was textbook interference and a cheap shot to player nowhere near the puck. Not sure how it was deemed nothing.

Textbook interference. Intentional. Not incidental. Against the NHL's BEST defenseman.

NHL officiating failure. Playing to the Canadian lumberjack audience.

 

[henchman21]

A ton of people have acknowledged his improved play since game 1?

To the George fans it will never be enough. There were definitely times that George still looked shaky in this game and others. Credit to him that he stepped up when needed and hopefully it continues. IMO it is just a matter of time before he has a few meltdown games though. Hopefully the timing happens where the Avs can recover and it doesn't cost a series. As long as he doesn't cost as series, I'll be good with him.

 

[chet1926]

Totally agree on Kovalenko. People want to blame George for the goal but Toffoli has a superb wrist shot and he had an unobstructive lane to the net from the high slot - because Kovalenko collided with Colton on the coverage. George was a bit late following Tyler's path and George just missed getting it with his blocker.

That's ALL on Kovalenko.

George has to have that, despite the poor defensive coverage. It was mid level shot, from distance with no one in front of him and he barely reacted. No other goalie in the league is getting burned on 85mph 40ft+ wristers with no one in front. He didn't even touch it, not great.

I'm just glad that it didn't effect George's play after it, he just moved on and made all the saves after that.

 

[henchman21]

I get interference is all over the place but an obvious forearm shiver to a players upper chest, neck region, that clearly knocked the wind out of player that was nowhere near the puck seems like a fairly easy one to call.

It's the equivalent of an offensive tackle getting beat and then straight throwing a guy to the ground so the quarterback doesn't get lit up.

I get playoffs 3rd period, Vilardi's team of down 2 with 10 mins left but the NHL can't miss that, especially after reviewing it.

Most NHL refs only call interference on faceoffs if it directly will cause a scoring chance. Not saying it is a right, but that is a typical standard. The rest is just a battle.

Totally agree on Kovalenko. People want to blame George for the goal but Toffoli has a superb wrist shot and he had an unobstructive lane to the net from the high slot - because Kovalenko collided with Colton on the coverage. George was a bit late following Tyler's path and George just missed getting it with his blocker.

That's ALL on Kovalenko.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

More like 5buyck am I right

Just shows how voodoo goaltenders are. Insane regular season and then total collapse.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

The Vilardi play was definitely a penalty.

I don’t know about a major, but you can’t just hit people without the puck. You have to at least ease up a bit on contact.

Shit, if that were the case, we’d just send Miles Wood on a rampage to run through every other opposition player.

 

[Muffin]

Still have no faith in Fourgiev going forward. The team dominated Winnipeg so hard he just didn't have to completely shit the bed. He still had a negative goals save above expected.

 

[Avs9296]

Kovalenko was ass yesterday, there's no denying that, but that third goal for Winnipeg is all on Colton imo. He for some reason was going off on a change when Winnipeg was reloading and then realized oh shit I need to come back and was late on Toffoli. Yes him and Kovy kinda bumped into each other a bit but I don't think Colton would have gotten there in time anyways. Bad play by Ross.

 

[henchman21]

Kovalenko was ass yesterday, there's no denying that, but that third goal for Winnipeg is all on Colton imo. He for some reason was going off on a change when Winnipeg was reloading and then realized oh shit I need to come back and was late on Toffoli. Yes him and Kovy kinda bumped into each other a bit but I don't think Colton would have gotten there in time anyways. Bad play by Ross.

Toffoli was Kovalenko's man and there wasn't a line change happening. Kovalenko initially collapsed to the bench side (where Colton was already covering) instead of sticking to the middle of the ice in the neutral zone. This lead to the whole box side being covered by JMFJ. By the time Kovalenko realizes it, he's way out of position and Ehlers has a clean entry. Instead of reading the play and knowing his place on the ice.... which would mean passing Ehlers off to Colton, Kovalenko leaves Toffoli wide open at the point with a ton of space. Colton was actually in the right spot and the collision is Colton trying to cover the space that Kovalenko left open.

That coverage mistake is 100% on Kovalenko and started at the Jets' blueline to where it cascaded.

 

[the_fan]

Still have no faith in Fourgiev going forward. The team dominated Winnipeg so hard he just didn't have to completely shit the bed. He still had a negative goals save above expected.

Same as Kuemper in 22. He didn’t have to be great, just make some saves and give the team chance to win because Avs are gonna score enough goals and that’s what Georgiev did after game 1. He didn’t allow more than one or two softies.