Proposal: COL - VAN

[redandyellowcametobe]

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From a Canucks fan who loves Horvat, no f***ing way he gets Byram.

of course he doesn’t. Anyone that says he does is is either a complete homer or dense. People can spout out statistics all day long and YES he needs to stay more healthy but this is a UFA we are talking about. Every year teams think their UFA is going to fetch a haul. Every year, it’s the same type of package.

Byram was no question the most steady D during Tampa series and solid all playoffs. He was ridiculous, and honestlyI’m not sure they win the cup without him.

Cost controlled two way potential #1D for a UFA?

The biggest LOL to Vancouver fans that say they wouldn’t make that trade.

 

[Raistlin]

Sorry Byram has 0 value for a more conservative GM due to his very serious injury issues. And much lower value than the Avs believe. The Avs have nothing outside of their core that can net them EP.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Sorry Byram has 0 value for a more conservative GM due to his very serious injury issues. And much lower value than the Avs believe. The Avs have nothing outside of their core that can net them EP.

Agreed on the bolded, but you couldn't be more wrong about Byram.

 

[Boondock]

Sounds like you guys solved your D issues then. Happy for you!

So the option is trading a young top tier C for less than market value to improve our D or nothing? What thoughtless comment. Be better

 

[oceanchild]

Horvat certainly doesn’t return Byram. Only reason I write this proposal is because of that rumor that EP was unhappy in VAN and wants to compete for a deep playoff run. If you guys are actually rebuilding wouldn’t he hate to be part of that?

Funny I didn’t see or hear that rumour and follow the team

 

[elitepete]

Byram + 2023 1st for Petterson.

No thanks. We’re good.

 

[AvStock]

Funny I didn’t see or hear that rumour and follow the team

Funny how your captain, Miller, and EP were reported to want out. Sounds like your team isn’t the place to be

 

[oceanchild]

Funny how your captain, Miller, and EP were reported to want out. Sounds like your team isn’t the place to be

From whom, Miller just signed a long term deal, get back under your bridge.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Instant yes for the Avs. Byram and his health is a complete mystery every season.

 

[jackjohnson]

Byram does need to stay healthy. That’s a fair knock on him and not a minor one either.

But his play has been exceptional for the Avs. He’s been an excellent two way player for someone of his age and lack of game experience. He’s great in his zone, in transition and in attack. A bonafide future number 1 if he stays healthy.

As such, Byram isn’t an asset you can price. He’s super valuable to the Avs but super risky for anyone else that will worry about the injuries. He’s not on the table. Horvat is a rental. He’ll fetch an elite rental return of a 1st plus a B+ level prospect. Similar to Giroux’s trade.

Thankfully for the Avs, Alex Newhook sure appears to be turning the corner and figuring out how to contribute. He’s been good the past month. Making plays and scoring goals.

Horvat is not like Giroux, he is still in his late 20s and can play at least 6 more years unlike Giroux. A 1st and a B+ prospect for a player who is now 3rd in goal scoring in NHL is such a low value. Giroux would have fetched much more if he was 3rd in goal scoring. You forget that there is also high value in a player who is having their best season of their career to be traded during that season since they would be highly valuable to any team. The Canucks turned down a Miller offer that had 2 very good prospects and a 1st so why would Horvat have lesser value than that offer?

Funny how your captain, Miller, and EP were reported to want out. Sounds like your team isn’t the place to be

If they wanted out then why did Miller sign long term and Petey signed an extension? Looks like you just believed a false rumour

 

[jackjohnson]

No. Horvat for Byram is an absurd construct for a trade. No possible basis for them to be swapped. Horvat is a rental. The base for any Horvat trade is a 2023 1st round pick. And from a playoff team.

I also agree Byram for EP makes no sense for Vancouver.

This OP is way off the mark.

Horvat would require more than a late 1st. I would bet my house that Canucks would not even entertain a late 1st for Horvat if that's the return. heck chariot got more than that and he sucks. Horvat especially having a very hot season and being 3rd in goal scoring would require more than a 1st unless you are too delusional about trade values for highly coveted rentals. I remember Washington traded Forsberg for Erat so teams will give up big returns if the rental player coming back can put them over the top. Horvat would put Avs over the top of the Avs go into playoffs healthy since he will adequately replace Kadri. Tell me what other options Avs have to adequately replace Kadri? If you say Toews then I will just laugh since that's like trying to replace Makar with a Myers.

 

[Petes2424]

Well this thread deteriorated quickly.

I'm not a Nucks fan, I wouldn't give up Horvat for Byram. I think its closer than Nucks fans think, but only because Horvat's not extended and could walk. If he gets extended reasonably, then no way.

I'm glad for Byram that his extended absence last year seems to have helped concussion issues, but like Paul Kariya, you wonder if he's a single hit from oblivion. He's a depressed asset.

I don’t know. I guess it would depend on the offers combined with the Canucks intentions. Think it would be a concern but the upside could be very appealing.

I actually don’t think Colorado would do it, because their chance to resign Horvat would be slim. It’s a big piece to give up for a couple months of a player.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Horvat would require more than a late 1st. I would bet my house that Canucks would not even entertain a late 1st for Horvat if that's the return. heck chariot got more than that and he sucks. Horvat especially having a very hot season and being 3rd in goal scoring would require more than a 1st unless you are too delusional about trade values for highly coveted rentals. I remember Washington traded Forsberg for Erat so teams will give up big returns if the rental player coming back can put them over the top. Horvat would put Avs over the top of the Avs go into playoffs healthy since he will adequately replace Kadri. Tell me what other options Avs have to adequately replace Kadri? If you say Toews then I will just laugh since that's like trying to replace Makar with a Myers.

Not even Kadri of this year is replacing Kadri of last year. I'm not sure they're going for that. Moreover, I'd guess that they're trying to find someone suitable (ie better than what they have but also worth trading for).

 

[jackjohnson]

Not even Kadri of this year is replacing Kadri of last year. I'm not sure they're going for that. Moreover, I'd guess that they're trying to find someone suitable (ie better than what they have but also worth trading for).

Regardless with all the teams in the league being interested in Horvat, the trade value is much higher than just a late 1st from a contender you can bet on that. In fact a 1st and prospect might not be enough due to latest rumour of a team wanting to sign him for 9 million per so I assume the trade will include an extension and the value will be much higher than a rental player.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Regardless with all the teams in the league being interested in Horvat, the trade value is much higher than just a late 1st from a contender you can bet on that. In fact a 1st and prospect might not be enough due to latest rumour of a team wanting to sign him for 9 million per so I assume the trade will include an extension and the value will be much higher than a rental player.

The price will be higher because he's making 9 million? If he wants to get maximum money, then he's most likely determined to go to free agency where there's competitive bidding no? How does that make the acquiring team willing to pay more?

 

[Raistlin]

The price will be higher because he's making 9 million? If he wants to get maximum money, then he's most likely determined to go to free agency where there's competitive bidding no? How does that make the acquiring team willing to pay more?

I dont believe he is looking for the highest AAV, he is looking for the longest term where he is in his professional and family life.

Agreed on the bolded, but you couldn't be more wrong about Byram.

to each their own, Byram has no value to me because his team's ask will not justify the risk he poses to acquire him. I remember all the years wishing Salo or more recently Tanev will be available, but they are never there when we need them. Which is as good as a negative asset due to the opportunity cost in a cap world. Concussions are the worst injuries, it will be there for the rest of his career, I know the Kariya's and to see Paul deal with it during his career and post career is not fun.

 

[AslanRH]

He could be Kariya (for some reason he's been the example) or he could be Josi or something in the middle.
Either way, I bet the Avs prefer to determine that for themselves rather than see it play out on another team.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Funny how your captain, Miller, and EP were reported to want out. Sounds like your team isn’t the place to be

Sounds like your making shit up to suit a bs narrative.

 

[Linds]

Sounds like your making shit up to suit a bs narrative.

Pretty sure it's been public knowledge for quite awhile the Canucks room was divided and some of the core wanted out

 

[nuxnux1]

Not a chance

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Pretty sure it's been public knowledge for quite awhile the Canucks room was divided and some of the core wanted out

Wrong, there was a supposed divide last season, haven't heard anything lately and from all accounts it was overblown.

Not one of those players has ever asked to leave, FFS we just re-signed Miller, why would he want out and then re-sign.

Bo has never made any sort of insinuation of wanting out either. Been nothing but a consummate professional.

EP said last year that by the end of this contract he wants the team to be competitive, that he wants to play for a team that has a shot at winning. Given his drive and ethnic background (Swedes are brutally honest) this is hardly surprising or leads anyone to believe that he wants out, right now at least.

Hmmmm, none of those things say any of those players want(ed) out, care to explain how it's "public knowledge"?

What some of the core wanted out exactly? Opinions aren't facts here either so provide a source or admit you got nothing.

 

[Linds]

Wrong, there was a supposed divide last season, haven't heard anything lately and from all accounts it was overblown.

Not one of those players has ever asked to leave, FFS we just re-signed Miller, why would he want out and then re-sign.

Bo has never made any sort of insinuation of wanting out either. Been nothing but a consummate professional.

EP said last year that by the end of this contract he wants the team to be competitive, that he wants to play for a team that has a shot at winning. Given his drive and ethnic background (Swedes are brutally honest) this is hardly surprising or leads anyone to believe that he wants out, right now at least.

Hmmmm, none of those things say any of those players want(ed) out, care to explain how it's "public knowledge"?

What some of the core wanted out exactly? Opinions aren't facts here either so provide a source or admit you got nothing.

Did your feelings get hurt? Look back at last year when Vancouver went belly up before hiring Bruce. Re watch the interviews and read between the lines. Miller wasn't going to get that money elsewhere max he could sign for would be 7 years. Doubt Vancouver will be competitive by the time EP's bridge contract is finished.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Did your feelings get hurt? Look back at last year when Vancouver went belly up before hiring Bruce. Re watch the interviews and read between the lines. Miller wasn't going to get that money elsewhere max he could sign for would be 7 years. Doubt Vancouver will be competitive by the time EP's bridge contract is finished.

hahah that's cute you think I'm offended, and like I thought, you got nothing but opinions.

I'm sorry, a 99 point Miller wouldn't have been paid that much in FA? He signed for 7 years here, so not sure what you mean by that, either way, are you new to the NHL?

You know what they say about opinions........

 

[Linds]

hahah that's cute you think I'm offended, and like I thought, you got nothing but opinions.

I'm sorry, a 99 point Miller wouldn't have been paid that much in FA? He signed for 7 years here, so not sure what you mean by that, either way, are you new to the NHL?

You know what they say about opinions........

Elliot F on 32 thoughts thinks otherwise but what does he know

 

[NYVanfan]

Would prefer to move Miller, albeit for less, but newhook and a first would do it for Boho for me