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Confirmed with Link: COL trades Barrie(50% retained)/Kerfoot/2020 6th to TOR for Kadri/Rosen/2020 3rd Part 2

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^^^ the actions of someone who is definitely, definitely not bothered.

Ed - oh, well, now it doesn't work. Imagine this post is at the bottom of page one.
 
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Liked the deal at the time and still think it’s a W for Colorado.

Kadri brought a legit scoring option to the second line and quickly became the Avs most trusted faceoff man. He has a tendency to go unnoticed for a while in games, but he’s a goal scorer and that’s exactly what Colorado needed.

As much as Barrie was a great Av, his leaving helped the development of Makar and Girard this season. They got more opportunities than they would otherwise have had and were forced into bigger roles. It could of back-fired if they weren’t ready, but they needed the minutes and it fast tracked their development.
 
I thought at the time that it was an even trade as player-for-player in a vacuum it was very balanced, but that it helped fill our needs much better and that with time it would favour us more and more due to the term on Barrie and Kadri's contracts.

That said, I thought it would only be from the 2021 offseason and beyond that it would seriously favour us though, but it's already looking like a clear W. I suppose a lot can change in the playoffs though depending on how Kadri/Barrie/Kerfoot do.
 
I love Barrie but man it is so nice being able to finally win OT games, Barrie on the ice was a death sentence time and time again in 3v3.
 
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How many OT games we lost last year just because the Avs player took a low % shot thus giving away possession and it ended up in the back of our net on the same sequence? Almost all of them. Man that was hard to watch.

Now they seem to understand a bit better that 3 vs 3 is not about speed or transition but about possession. Don't lose the puck, don't give it away, don't make a low % plays.
 
The best possibly explanation for all the Avs uber talented players sucking at 3 on 3, is that they don't practice it enough compared to other teams.

This has always been my theory. It's the same reason their 4 on 4 and face-offs sucked at times too. I think Bednar just spends most of practice drilling his 5 on 5 systems and specialty teams.

It's helped them by making them a great 5 on 5 team, but it comes at the expense of other areas.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
The best possibly explanation for all the Avs uber talented players sucking at 3 on 3, is that they don't practice it enough compared to other teams.

This has always been my theory. It's the same reason their 4 on 4 and face-offs sucked at times too. I think Bednar just spends most of practice drilling his 5 on 5 systems and specialty teams.

It's helped them by making them a great 5 on 5 team, but it comes at the expense of other areas.
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Same goes for 6 on 5, for that matter. We scored ONE goal all year with the goalie pulled, and we barely generated any scoring chances the rest of the times. I get that as a coach you don't want to PLAN to be down late in the third, and if you execute the rest of your game plan perfectly you won't need to get desperate like that, but it's a major blind spot for Bednar as a coach, IMO.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
The best possibly explanation for all the Avs uber talented players sucking at 3 on 3, is that they don't practice it enough compared to other teams.

This has always been my theory. It's the same reason their 4 on 4 and face-offs sucked at times too. I think Bednar just spends most of practice drilling his 5 on 5 systems and specialty teams.

It's helped them by making them a great 5 on 5 team, but it comes at the expense of other areas.
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The Avs were so bad in OT in 2018-19 not because they did not practice enough but because the approached it all wrong. It was mind blowing that Bednar (and the players) could not make the adjustment.

It got better this year when we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot but it should be so much better with the talent level we have.
 
Metallo said:
The Avs were so bad in OT in 2018-19 not because they did not practice enough but because the approached it all wrong. It was mind blowing that Bednar (and the players) could not make the adjustment.
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And that was probably because they never practiced it at all. If they practiced it and prepared for it they wouldn’t consistently play like shit every single OT.
 
The Abusement Park said:
And that was probably because they never practiced it at all. If they practiced it and prepared for it they wouldn’t consistently play like shit every single OT.
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My point is that they were so far off that Bednar only had to tell them: “keep the puck until you have a real opening to shoot” to see some improvement. Just that, with no practice, would have made a massive improvement. It was a tactical failure not an execution failure.
 
Metallo said:
The Avs were so bad in OT in 2018-19 not because they did not practice enough but because the approached it all wrong. It was mind blowing that Bednar (and the players) could not make the adjustment.

It got better this year when we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot but it should be so much better with the talent level we have.
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I don't think the OT problems are on Bednar. A good coach like him I'm sure knows that to be successful 3 vs 3 you need to keep possession until you have a very opportunity. At this point I think it is on the players. It is very hard for guys like Mack to not take a shot on net and just skate around waiting for a very good opportunity. Guys like him, Barrie, Makar, Girard, etc...they want things to happen when they are on the ice so they take more chances than other players would IMO. Barrie's problems in OT were more on the defense side than taking to many chances in the offensive zone. The guys were starting to get it IMO this year. They had control of the puck a lot more.

What I put on Bednar though is continuously starting with Mack at C. He loses the draws way too much to start with him. They lose the puck right away at the draw and then Mack is wasted skated around for 45 - 90 secs trying to get it back and when they do they are too tired to do anything worth with it. Start the OT (and any OT faceoffs for that matter) with somebody that is very good at draws. Gaine possession retreat in your zone and then Mack can jump on the ice. They lose the draw...no problem because you have guys on the ice to play D and try to gain the puck back. It is very easy to make a line change when you have possession but it is extremely hard to it when you don't have it. Again start with safer players in case you lose the draw and then switch when you have possession.
 
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I don't think the OT problems are on Bednar. A good coach like him I'm sure knows that to be successful 3 vs 3 you need to keep possession until you have a very opportunity. At this point I think it is on the players. It is very hard for guys like Mack to not take a shot on net and just skate around waiting for a very good opportunity. Guys like him, Barrie, Makar, Girard, etc...they want things to happen when they are on the ice so they take more chances than other players would IMO. Barrie's problems in OT were more on the defense side than taking to many chances in the offensive zone. The guys were starting to get it IMO this year. They had control of the puck a lot more.

What I put on Bednar though is continuously starting with Mack at C. He loses the draws way too much to start with him. They lose the puck right away at the draw and then Mack is wasted skated around for 45 - 90 secs trying to get it back and when they do they are too tired to do anything worth with it. Start the OT (and any OT faceoffs for that matter) with somebody that is very good at draws. Gaine possession retreat in your zone and then Mack can jump on the ice. They lose the draw...no problem because you have guys on the ice to play D and try to gain the puck back. It is very easy to make a line change when you have possession but it is extremely hard to it when you don't have it. Again start with safer players in case you lose the draw and then switch when you have possession.
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Bednar is the HC, OT problems are on him (and the players). It’s not good enough to know the proper strategy, i.e. puck possession, you have to sell your plan to the players and make them play like you want.
As you alluded to, puck possession is not enough and things like draws, starting lineup and line changes all enter the equation and it was all a big fail also.
What’s on the players is execution: shot selection and execution, and the big save. All lacking which compounded the problem in 18-19.
 
Metallo said:
Bednar is the HC, OT problems are on him (and the players). It’s not good enough to know the proper strategy, i.e. puck possession, you have to sell your plan to the players and make them play like you want.
As you alluded to, puck possession is not enough and things like draws, starting lineup and line changes all enter the equation and it was all a big fail also.
What’s on the players is execution: shot selection and execution, and the big save. All lacking which compounded the problem in 18-19.
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Yeah but you can sell your plan all you want as a coach it is on the players to execute it. If a player is not "wired" like that he will take longer to get it. It's not any different than trying to get an offensive player that has always been bad on the defensive side to start playing more defensively. Some will get it right away, some will take a lot longer and some will never get it.
 
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Yeah but you can sell your plan all you want as a coach it is on the players to execute it. If a player is not "wired" like that he will take longer to get it. It's not any different than trying to get an offensive player that has always been bad on the defensive side to start playing more defensively. Some will get it right away, some will take a lot longer and some will never get it.
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If they don’t execute then the plan was not sold. Either you buy in and play or don’t and watch. It’s not that hard to get, especially when what you are doing is working so poorly. We are not talking about subtle fine tuning adjustments. Bednar made no adjustment all season long on the OT. It’s pretty hard to give him a pass.
 
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If they don’t execute then the plan was not sold. Either you buy in and play or don’t and watch. It’s not that hard to get, especially when what you are doing is working so poorly. We are not talking about subtle fine tuning adjustments. Bednar made no adjustment all season long on the OT. It’s pretty hard to give him a pass.
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He did make adjustments. If I'm not mistaken Rantanen sat an OT or two. Landy as well IIRC. My point is that it is not as easy as "if they don't execute it the plan was not sold". Sometimes you can buy into something but not be able to execute it if it is not in your DNA. Mack has bought into Bednar's system and although he has got a lot better at it he is still not that great of a two-way player. People do things in life all the time even when they know they shouldn't. Sometimes the temptation is just too strong to resist especially when, in the case of hockey players, you are supposed to play a complete different way than you were doing just a few minutes ago. You play hockey on instinct a lot. I get it. They are professionals and they should be able to do that but human behavior is just not that simple.
 
I had almost forgot we traded Rosén. He's probably a better fit on the Leafs Marlies than he is on the Avs Eagles anyway.
 
It doesn't matter what the game plan is or how well Bednar adapts, if they rarely practice the 3 on 3, they're not gonna execute well.

Every single Av player in OT looks like they're unsure of what to do. They hesitate and wait too long to make plays.

This is the opposite of how they look 5 on 5, when they can play Bednar's system in their sleep.
 
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He did make adjustments. If I'm not mistaken Rantanen sat an OT or two. Landy as well IIRC. My point is that it is not as easy as "if they don't execute it the plan was not sold". Sometimes you can buy into something but not be able to execute it if it is not in your DNA. Mack has bought into Bednar's system and although he has got a lot better at it he is still not that great of a two-way player. People do things in life all the time even when they know they shouldn't. Sometimes the temptation is just too strong to resist especially when, in the case of hockey players, you are supposed to play a complete different way than you were doing just a few minutes ago. You play hockey on instinct a lot. I get it. They are professionals and they should be able to do that but human behavior is just not that simple.
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Agree to disagree.

To me when the team fails tactically over and over again that’s on the coach. Tinkering around the edges is not tackling the heart of the problem. Find the solution.
 
Guys...Bednar is not some dumb coach who isn't aware of how many points they lose because they suck in OT. Of course they practice it.

The problem is the team isn't a possession team, they are a transition team and it doesn't work 3 v 3. They have to play differently and have no chemistry doing it because it doesn't happen enough.

In OT you have to skate circles, keep the puck and wait for a high scoring chance. Avs' game is north-south full speed and take a shot.
 
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