Confirmed with Link: [Col/Chi/Car] Rantanen (50% by Chicago), Hall, Nils Juntorp to Car - Drury, Necas, 2nd, 4th to Avs, 3rd round pick to Chicago

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Honestly, we need to be less stingy with our 1sts. That’s an asset that usually has more value in a trade than it does in practice, especially with where we normally end up in the standings. Replacing one of the prospects in that Guenztal trade or Drury with a 1st in the Necas trade would have made a lot more sense to me.

I think the reason why the Canes prefer giving up the sorts of packages that they do for rentals over 1st round picks, even if it involves a really good player like Necas, is because:

1. They always make trades down in the draft for more pinballs
2. If they hit on prospects like Blake/Nikishin/Morrow/Nadeau/FUS/Artamonov, they can hold onto these assets for a decade+ and get RFA savings at important positions

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Doesn't this also suggest that the coach needs to learn to improvise to maximize the potential of the roster and become a little less rigid? I don't how the coach continues to get a free pass? It sounds like management tries to find the right talent yet then he also tries to rebrand them.

Is the roster turnover for the Canes - the norm for a potential contender?

No, but not in the way you think. Up until this past off-season, Carolina has mainly the same players on the roster, year after year, regardless of the end result in the season. That's not usual, as most of the time, contenders do what Carolina has done with Necas: Move a player that isn't fitting for a player of similar value that may fit better.

 

[hblueridgegal]

No, but not in the way you think. Up until this past off-season, Carolina has mainly the same players on the roster, year after year, regardless of the end result in the season. That's not usual, as most of the time, contenders do what Carolina has done with Necas: Move a player that isn't fitting for a player of similar value that may fit better.

True but they have shed key contributors for several years running now. I still find it interesting that the fall guy is the team's leading scorer in 2 of the past 3 seasons. I don't imagine that's the norm?

Admittedly, I am a huge Cooper fan in part because of his approach to utilization, strategy and risk taking - optimizing assets.

 

[Derailed75]

Doesn't this also suggest that the coach needs to learn to improvise to maximize the potential of the roster and become a little less rigid? I don't how the coach continues to get a free pass? It sounds like management tries to find the right talent yet then he also tries to rebrand them.

Is the roster turnover for the Canes - the norm for a potential contender?

Yeah the fastest coach to win 300 games, completely changed the culture of the team, and is an icon within the state and city.

Not sure he is getting a free pass as again "score board"

But he's not getting a lot of grief and he shouldn't. This team doesn't sniffing the playoffs without him back in 19

 

[hblueridgegal]

Yeah the fastest coach to win 300 games, completely changed the culture of the team, and is an icon within the state and city.

Not sure he is getting a free pass as again "score board"

But he's not getting a lot of grief and he shouldn't. This team doesn't sniffing the playoffs without him back in 19

This doesn't explain not getting over the hump in the playoffs though. So, he doesn't have to evolve at all in his role?

It's always the players who are expected to take it to the next level but he doesn't have to do so? They're following his gameplan.

 

[Derailed75]

This doesn't explain not getting over the hump in the playoffs though. So, he doesn't have to evolve at all in his role?

It's always the players who are expected to take it to the next level but he doesn't have to do so? They're following his gameplan.

Would you as a fan or as the owner get rid of the guy that gives you a chance every single year and every single game. Because he hasn't won a cup? Moreso in the sport where the playoffs are a completely different animal and take as much luck as they do skill?

 

[hblueridgegal]

Would you as a fan or as the owner get rid of the guy that gives you a chance every single year and every single game. Because he hasn't won a cup? Moreso in the sport where the playoffs are a completely different animal and take as much luck as they do skill?

I wasn't advocating for a firing but rather some change in strategy and approach. I would think as a professional if I came up short a few years in a row in my ultimate goals and results, I'd be looking for answers and making some adjustments.

 

[Derailed75]

I wasn't advocating for a firing but rather some change in strategy and approach. I would think as a professional if I came up short a few years in a row in my ultimate goals and results, I'd be looking for answers and making some adjustments.

Sports are a different animal. When 31 groups "fail" you can ask for wholesale changes from everyone of them. Let me ask you something. If we had everyone healthy against the Cats two years ago do you think they still sweep us? Personally I think we win that series considering every game was a 1 goal game and two went to OT. The failures are what happens in sports there 31 other teams trying to prevent you from winning. To be one of the last handful year after year is success.

 

[Borsig]

Has anyone else seen the thing where pagnotta said rantanen has no intention of signing here

 

[LakeLivin]

That's kinda sad. He thought the relationship had been repaired. Sorry Martin!

True but they have shed key contributors for several years running now. I still find it interesting that the fall guy is the team's leading scorer in 2 of the past 3 seasons. I don't imagine that's the norm?

Admittedly, I am a huge Cooper fan in part because of his approach to utilization, strategy and risk taking - optimizing assets.

Aren't you both making assumptions? If someone like Rantanen possibly becomes available, don't you explore that trade? Doesn't necessarily mean that there was still a problem with the relationship, or that Necas was a "fall guy", does it?

Having said that, I agree that it would have been nice to keep Necas but you have to give to get, and the Borg has repeatedly said that their job is to find someone better, and that they at explore almost every major player that might become available.

 

[bleedgreen]

Why isn’t Ghost on pp1?

 

[Chrispy]

Has anyone else seen the thing where pagnotta said rantanen has no intention of signing here

Pagnotta said “rumblings around the league” which means he doesn’t have knowledge of anything from Carolina or Rantanen.

Which makes sense given how little time Rantanen has been able to be in Raleigh to even consider it, let alone not having a concrete offer during the 4 Nations tournament.

 

[Svechhammer]

Pagnotta said “rumblings around the league” which means he doesn’t have knowledge of anything from Carolina or Rantanen.

Which makes sense given how little time Rantanen has been able to be in Raleigh to even consider it, let alone not having a concrete offer during the 4 Nations tournament.

At the same time hes been paired with Kotkaniemi tonight, so that probably doesn't help his desire to extend here

 

[Chrispy]

At the same time hes been paired with Kotkaniemi tonight, so that probably doesn't help his desire to extend here

Well, he seems to back with Aho and Svech now.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Aren't you both making assumptions? If someone like Rantanen possibly becomes available, don't you explore that trade? Doesn't necessarily mean that there was still a problem with the relationship, or that Necas was a "fall guy", does it?

Having said that, I agree that it would have been nice to keep Necas but you have to give to get, and the Borg has repeatedly said that their job is to find someone better, and that they at explore almost every major player that might become available.

Personally, I am happy for Necas. But the argument re: him being a "bad fit" etc. while leading scoring - is why I mentioned why can't coaching adjustments also happen to align with the talent and skills of the players on the roster to optimize outcomes instead of always trying to reform or remold them? Shouldn't that be what a system also does?

 

[baconandbread]

Personally, I am happy for Necas. But the argument re: him being a "bad fit" etc. while leading scoring - is why I mentioned why can't coaching adjustments also happen to align with the talent and skills of the players on the roster to optimize outcomes instead of always trying to reform or remold them? Shouldn't that be what a system also does?

Exactly this. Even when Rod was Captain and we won the cup, skill players were allowed to be skilled

 

[cptjeff]

On tonight's HNIC broadcast, Friedman saying we made an offer "into 9 figures" (which translates to at least 8 years/12.5 per) over the 4 nations break, Rantanen said he needs more time to figure out if this is where he wants to be. Not a yes, not a no.

 

[Wolfpuck]

We’re going to have to sell him on what this team will be once a lot of dead weight is off the books.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

On tonight's HNIC broadcast, Friedman saying we made an offer "into 9 figures" (which translates to at least 8 years/12.5 per) over the 4 nations break, Rantanen said he needs more time to figure out if this is where he wants to be. Not a yes, not a no.

$100m over 8 years is $12.5m, so it’s at least that.

If Mikko’s camp turns that down, he just doesn’t want to be a Hurricane and wants to reach free agency.

 

[whiskers]

I think we should trade him to washington as they are #1 and probably their last chance to the cup , but i want to draft pics be in 26 , and 27 , not 2025 , Leonard and Cristall but we wont and probably get nothing for him , Necas was exciting to watch , he was gonna get 90 points min and i would have played him hard the first 25 games next year and then trade him , our gm made so many mistakes

 

[cptjeff]

so it’s at least

Literally the exact words I used...

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Literally the exact words I used...

I wasn't refuting anything you wrote... easy, big shoots.

 

[Chrispy]

$12.5 is a strong offer. Probably willing to go a bit higher if that’s what it takes, but if Rantanen isn’t interested you need to flip him for something.

This team doesn’t have the makeup for another rental run. Recoup something and prep for a huge offseason.

 

[whiskers]

$12.5 is a strong offer. Probably willing to go a bit higher if that’s what it takes, but if Rantanen isn’t interested you need to flip him for something.

This team doesn’t have the makeup for another rental run. Recoup something and prep for a huge offseason.

He wanted 14 Mil with Avs , and since then the announcement on how much the cap when up , hes probably thinking 15 m , with the cap going up players arent looking of the cash amount , they are looking at cap% Draisaitl new contract was before the new cap hike so he was close to the max 16% for 14 M , so lets say he wants 15% of team cap and he knows cap is 99.5 and 104 the year after hes at least looking for 15 Mil (i dont think hes worth that , looking at the Guentel deal , dam we should have offered 8 x 10 or 11 , so many bad moves from this GM

 

[Chrispy]

7*15 is the same as 8*13.125.

You can claim it’s all about the %, but that 8th year gets more and more valuable as the numbers go up. And there’s no guarantee you can make that kind of money in your mid 30s even on a 1 year deal.

Is someone really going $1M any previous AAV for a wing? I don’t know if they will.