Confirmed with Link: [Col/Chi/Car] Rantanen (50% by Chicago), Hall, Nils Juntorp to Car - Drury, Necas, 2nd, 4th to Avs, 3rd round pick to Chicago

[AhosDatsyukian]

If he walks after this year is that really a disaster though? I mean it’s obviously not ideal but they’re going to have boatloads of cap to spend, whether it’s on him or someone else.

Yes it's a disaster to give up a 100pt home grown player we drafted and developed for 2-3 months of a player. I see a lot of comments here that assume Necas wouldn't have re-signed here. I don't buy it. I think we were hesitant to pay him and wanted a big upgrade (like we got in Rants, in theory) and he was our main trade piece for that big upgrade. But if we didn't have a big upgrade option and/or Necas showed more consistency, I don't think there's any way we would've just let him walk. We would've paid him what we needed to keep him. And there's no indication he wouldn't have stayed if he got a good offer.

Quite a ways off to speculate but just as an example. Lets say Boston decides to rebuild a sign and trade for Pasta. Maybe not Pasta but pick and of the teams that are aging out and could use some assets to rebuild with and cap space to do so.
Just off the top of my head
If Ovie breaks the record does he retire and if so what do the Caps do moving forward
Sid probably never leaves the Pens but if they need to rebuild would they keep Malkin
Above mentions of Boston there's some other pieces there
The Wings seem to be on the way up but if they falter how about Larkin
The Predators might decide they made a huge mistake and want to jettison a few guys
What if the Sens get tired of almost being in the playoffs and we can pry Brady T from them.

We can trade and spend money, not all moves have to be FA.

If not FA, we just gave up our only legit trade piece in the Rants trade. We aren't getting a superstar in another trade now.

 

[MinJaBen]

Quite a ways off to speculate but just as an example. Lets say Boston decides to rebuild a sign and trade for Pasta. Maybe not Pasta but pick and of the teams that are aging out and could use some assets to rebuild with and cap space to do so.
Just off the top of my head
If Ovie breaks the record does he retire and if so what do the Caps do moving forward
Sid probably never leaves the Pens but if they need to rebuild would they keep Malkin
Above mentions of Boston there's some other pieces there
The Wings seem to be on the way up but if they falter how about Larkin
The Predators might decide they made a huge mistake and want to jettison a few guys
What if the Sens get tired of almost being in the playoffs and we can pry Brady T from them.

We can trade and spend money, not all moves have to be FA.

Sure, trading is always a possiblility. But you have to have assets they want and you are willing to move. For guys in the tiers that Rantanen is in, who are we willing to move that brings in someone worth spending that cap on? We kind of just spent our most movable high end asset in Necas.

 

[spockBokk]

If he walks after this year is that really a disaster though? I mean it’s obviously not ideal but they’re going to have boatloads of cap to spend, whether it’s on him or someone else.

Who are they going to spend it on?

After Rantanen and Marner, there’s Ehlers and Bennett, then a whole lot of meh.

Sure they can make trades, but Necas was their most valuable chip…

 

[Derailed75]

Sure, trading is always a possiblility. But you have to have assets they want and you are willing to move. For guys in the tiers that Rantanen is in, who are we willing to move that brings in someone worth spending that cap on? We kind of just spent our most movable high end asset in Necas.

Hard to say the offseason is a long way off and a lot of things can happen between now and then. Injuries, retirements, situations like the Team Canada or Blackhawks thing and ownership changes can all change the course of how things play out.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Yes it's a disaster to give up a 100pt home grown player we drafted and developed for 2-3 months of a player. I see a lot of comments here that assume Necas wouldn't have re-signed here. I don't buy it. I think we were hesitant to pay him and wanted a big upgrade (like we got in Rants, in theory) and he was our main trade piece for that big upgrade. But if we didn't have a big upgrade option and/or Necas showed more consistency, I don't think there's any way we would've just let him walk. We would've paid him what we needed to keep him. And there's no indication he wouldn't have stayed if he got a good offer.

There is a Czech interview with Necas that took place right after the trade. In it he says his first reaction upon realizing he was the one being trading was F**K! He said he thought due to the kind of season that he was having that they'd address next steps in the summer after the season. His GF said the same in a Vlog. She said national reporters tracked down her phone number and tried to get info from her about it. She said both of them were shocked by what happened but have accepted it.

 

[User13452]

Who are they going to spend it on?

After Rantanen and Marner, there’s Ehlers and Bennett, then a whole lot of meh.

Sure they can make trades, but Necas was their most valuable chip…

i can see ehlers seems like they’ve been after him for years lol

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

There is a Czech interview with Necas that took place right after the trade. In it he says his first reaction upon realizing he was the one being trading was F**K! He said he thought due to the kind of season that he was having that they'd address next steps in the summer after the season. His GF said the same in a Vlog. She said national reporters tracked down her phone number and tried to get info from her about it. She said both of them were shocked by what happened but have accepted it.

I hadn’t seen it but not surprised and further proof that he wasn’t just biding his time to get out of Carolina. I maintain that if he wasn’t traded for a superstar we would’ve kept him long term

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Who are they going to spend it on?

After Rantanen and Marner, there’s Ehlers and Bennett, then a whole lot of meh.

Sure they can make trades, but Necas was their most valuable chip…

Out of the Marner/Ehlers/Bennett trio, Bennett is by far the likeliest to be available on UFA day because the Panthers have a young and very good Anton Lundell to promote to 2C and the Panthers have huge needs at RHD. Toronto has all of the means to keep Marner but might not have the cap space to put much depth behind him, so that's a bit of a question mark, but I suspect that Marner probably stays there. Considering that Winnipeg historically has a tough time recruiting outside free agents, I think they're likely to successfully throw the Brinks truck at Ehlers like they did with Scheifele.

 

[spockBokk]

Out of the Marner/Ehlers/Bennett trio, Bennett is by far the likeliest to be available on UFA day because the Panthers have a young and very good Anton Lundell to promote to 2C and the Panthers have huge needs at RHD. Toronto has all of the means to keep Marner but might not have the cap space to put much depth behind him, so that's a bit of a question mark, but I suspect that Marner probably stays there. Considering that Winnipeg historically has a tough time recruiting outside free agents, I think they're likely to successfully throw the Brinks truck at Ehlers like they did with Scheifele.

If Ehlers makes it to 7/1, I think he’s the Canes’ prime target, especially if they strike out with Rantanen.

Bennett makes sense too, I just don’t see him leaving the Panthers. They seem to find a way to keep their guys every year.

I think Marner is a pipe dream and he’s destined to be a career Leaf

If I had to make a prediction right now, I’d say they end up trading Rantanen for futures and try to flip those immediately or at the draft for roster player(s), Ehlers at $8-9M x 7 is the big UFA add and they get real active on the trade market to make use of the rest of their cap space.

 

[robbieberns]

Guys, our path to success is so pbvious, I see it right in front of me the same way navigators in the world of Dune see space travel paths in front of them through the means of substsnce abusing the spice Melange.

Step 1: Sign Rantanen to a long term extension

Step 2: Trade KK and whatever else to NYI for Dobson in the summer

Step 3: Go crazy on July 1 for the trio of Ehlers, Bennett, Vejmelka

If all of this happening is too unrealistic for you, feel free to substitute the following possibilities

Andersen re-signing or going with a lesser goalie than Vejmelka, Nadeau or less flashy option than Ehlers for LW2 spot, KK stays and no Bennett

I say we do the impossible but I guess i’m just a believer like that

 

[Lempo]

There is a Czech interview with Necas that took place right after the trade. In it he says his first reaction upon realizing he was the one being trading was F**K! He said he thought due to the kind of season that he was having that they'd address next steps in the summer after the season. His GF said the same in a Vlog. She said national reporters tracked down her phone number and tried to get info from her about it. She said both of them were shocked by what happened but have accepted it.

I suppose the hang-ups were well-known to the parties and the team knew they wouldn't be solved the way Nevas would've wanted them solved. The bridge contract was a kick on the can already by both parties in anticipation that they might later get their way, and the team probably knew that Necas wasn't going to get his and thusly wouldn't re-sign but would go UFA anyway.

 

[Svechhammer]

I still fully believe all this speculation is total horseshit. From our own words, we weren't going to try and get him extended until he could settle into Raleigh.

That said, if we did make a trade for him and he is hell bent on not signing here, we royally f***ed up and deserve to be absolutely raked over the coals for it. Giving up what we did for Guentzel and Rantanen just to have both walk within months would justifiably infuriate the majority of the fanbase and cause a whole hell of a lot of headaches for the front office.

 

[CandyCanes]

I’m convinced the Canes are putting this info out as a negotiating tactic. They want this deal completed way before free agency opens up. I imagine if a deal doesn’t get done before the trade deadline they’ll still hold on to him for the playoffs, and will try hard to push for a contract in the offseason.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yes it's a disaster to give up a 100pt home grown player we drafted and developed for 2-3 months of a player. I see a lot of comments here that assume Necas wouldn't have re-signed here. I don't buy it. I think we were hesitant to pay him and wanted a big upgrade (like we got in Rants, in theory) and he was our main trade piece for that big upgrade. But if we didn't have a big upgrade option and/or Necas showed more consistency, I don't think there's any way we would've just let him walk. We would've paid him what we needed to keep him. And there's no indication he wouldn't have stayed if he got a good offer.

The issue with Necas was that he struggled to play in our system for years, and if his performance in Colorado doesn’t make it obvious, his game is much better suited for a more wide-open system. And that’s something we would have had to deal with (and he would struggle with) should we have re-signed him long term. IMO, the writing was on the wall and both sides knew it.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I truly don't get the hand-wringing here. This is one of the largest free agent class in years and the Canes have a ridiculous amount of cap space. Necas was only a year away from free agency and they got a legitimate superstar for him. Even if Rantanen wants to go elsewhere, the Canes can flip him for draft and prospect capital and will have the space to make tons of offseason additions. This is not some major asset management catastrophe or anything like that, especially because Necas only had one extra season of team control and the UFA market looks potentially fruitful this year.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I truly don't get the hand-wringing here. This is one of the largest free agent class in years and the Canes have a ridiculous amount of cap space. Necas was only a year away from free agency and they got a legitimate superstar for him. Even if Rantanen wants to go elsewhere, the Canes can flip him for draft and prospect capital and will have the space to make tons of offseason additions. This is not some major asset management catastrophe or anything like that, especially because Necas only had one extra season of team control and the UFA market looks potentially fruitful this year.

The issue, in my mind, is that between Guenztal and Rantanen, we have demolished our trade capital. We don’t have many roster players remaining that would draw much interest (outside of Svech, who certainly isn’t as safe as he once was), and the prospects that would be the most valuable are the ones we want to keep.

So that leaves FA to spend this 30+ million in cap space, but the upcoming FA list doesn’t have the kind of players you spend that kind of money on. Marner and Rantanen are the big name forwards, with Ehlers in that second tier, Ekblad is the big D pickup, and maybe Hill for goaltending?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The issue, in my mind, is that between Guenztal and Rantanen, we have demolished our trade capital. We don’t have many roster players remaining that would draw much interest (outside of Svech, who certainly isn’t as safe as he once was), and the prospects that would be the most valuable are the ones we want to keep.

So that leaves FA to spend this 30+ million in cap space, but the upcoming FA list doesn’t have the kind of players you spend that kind of money on. Marner and Rantanen are the big name forwards, with Ehlers in that second tier, Ekblad is the big D pickup, and maybe Hill for goaltending?

Marchand and Duchene would be worthwhile investments, as well, IF short-term/high-dollar. Also, the Canes have been relatively conservative with their true asset capital. They haven't touched any of their first-round picks or top prospects.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

The issue with Necas was that he struggled to play in our system for years, and if his performance in Colorado doesn’t make it obvious, his game is much better suited for a more wide-open system. And that’s something we would have had to deal with (and he would struggle with) should we have re-signed him long term. IMO, the writing was on the wall and both sides knew it.

He had been our best forward all year in this system before the trade and led the team in points a few years ago. He’s been an inconsistent player and my guess is he still will be in Colorado even with his hot start there. There were no issues with him in our system

I still fully believe all this speculation is total horseshit. From our own words, we weren't going to try and get him extended until he could settle into Raleigh.

That said, if we did make a trade for him and he is hell bent on not signing here, we royally f***ed up and deserve to be absolutely raked over the coals for it. Giving up what we did for Guentzel and Rantanen just to have both walk within months would justifiably infuriate the majority of the fanbase and cause a whole hell of a lot of headaches for the front office.

The Guentzel return was completely fine even with him just being a rental. Personally I’m glad we didn’t keep him. It’s too bad it didn’t work out in the playoffs last year but we went for it and really none of the pieces we gave up were significant.

Moving Necas on the other hand is significant and I completely agree if we can’t keep Rants it was a massive f*** up.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

There is a Czech interview with Necas that took place right after the trade. In it he says his first reaction upon realizing he was the one being trading was F**K! He said he thought due to the kind of season that he was having that they'd address next steps in the summer after the season. His GF said the same in a Vlog. She said national reporters tracked down her phone number and tried to get info from her about it. She said both of them were shocked by what happened but have accepted it.

That's kinda sad. He thought the relationship had been repaired. Sorry Martin!

 

[bleedgreen]

As I told you in the other thread, there is no reason to even have this discussion right now. In Tulsky's words, they want Rantanen to get situated and comfortable in Raleigh before even opening up contract negotiations with him, and because of the road trip and the 4 Nations, he's spent about 3 days in a Raleigh apartment since he was traded. By our own words, we aren't beginning to negotiate an extension, yet, so all of this speculation about trading him is just a few hacks pulling shit out of their ass for page clicks, and then people like Friedman speculation on those reports because its a big name player.

For now, there's no reason to go through this. This is just unnecessary noise very much akin to Montreal fans salivating over doing something like Offer Sheeting Jarvis or signing Aho because he really wants to play there, or a pickem of players who we are going to offload because Dundon is too cheap to play them. Its all stemming from a fantasy that doesn't exist.

There’s nothing wrong with talking about it. Don’t let the others make you feel like you can’t voice the topic. Of course you can. It’s absolutely a possibility though one we hope is avoided.

If he walks after this year is that really a disaster though? I mean it’s obviously not ideal but they’re going to have boatloads of cap to spend, whether it’s on him or someone else.

It’s a disaster to move a Necas for something that doesn’t stay, but not signing Rants to a huge contract could end up being a blessing in disguise.

 

[bleedgreen]

The issue, in my mind, is that between Guenztal and Rantanen, we have demolished our trade capital. We don’t have many roster players remaining that would draw much interest (outside of Svech, who certainly isn’t as safe as he once was), and the prospects that would be the most valuable are the ones we want to keep.

So that leaves FA to spend this 30+ million in cap space, but the upcoming FA list doesn’t have the kind of players you spend that kind of money on. Marner and Rantanen are the big name forwards, with Ehlers in that second tier, Ekblad is the big D pickup, and maybe Hill for goaltending?

I agree that our overspending on rentals we’ve made a big dent in our assets available for trade. We still have a few things worth wanting but we probably need those things. I could see Morrow being moved for a dman with term that’s more likely to fit with Rod, but if the kid turns the corner maybe he could make it. Based on Rods first few years I’d say no way in hell even if he’s gotten better, but Rod seems maybe more pliable after this summer.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I agree that our overspending on rentals we’ve made a big dent in our assets available for trade. We still have a few things worth wanting but we probably need those things. I could see Morrow being moved for a dman with term that’s more likely to fit with Rod, but if the kid turns the corner maybe he could make it. Based on Rods first few years I’d say no way in hell even if he’s gotten better, but Rod seems maybe more pliable after this summer.

It's debatable that we've overspent or anything like that. They acquired guys who they wanted to retain and didn't give up any 1st round picks doing so. It's too bad that Guentzel wanted to go elsewhere, but maybe Rantanen is different.

 

[bleedgreen]

It's debatable that we've overspent or anything like that. They acquired guys who they wanted to retain and didn't give up any 1st round picks doing so. It's too bad that Guentzel wanted to go elsewhere, but maybe Rantanen is different.

Find me examples in the last 30 years of what we’ve paid in these two rental deals. I’m not saying they’re not there at all. I’d say both the prices we paid were amongst the highest in modern hockey. There’s no debate we paid a heavy price. Whether or not individually we each care are not is always open for debate and interpretation. I wouldn’t give anyone a hard time for not really caring but this is a website dedicated to the over analysis of topics exactly like this. There’s nothing wrong with people saying “damn……did we really pay that much?!?”

We’ve paid full trade values (as if the guy had term) for rentals. If Rants still had three years left it was still a full priced paid - and he’s got like two months left. Our first rounders are basically second rounders. Pono and Koivunen are second rounders. Necas is worth at least a first rounder by himself. Drury is worth a second rounder. Keeping our firsts isn’t necessarily something to hang your hat on.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's debatable that we've overspent or anything like that. They acquired guys who they wanted to retain and didn't give up any 1st round picks doing so. It's too bad that Guentzel wanted to go elsewhere, but maybe Rantanen is different.

Honestly, we need to be less stingy with our 1sts. That’s an asset that usually has more value in a trade than it does in practice, especially with where we normally end up in the standings. Replacing one of the prospects in that Guenztal trade or Drury with a 1st in the Necas trade would have made a lot more sense to me.

 

[hblueridgegal]

The issue with Necas was that he struggled to play in our system for years, and if his performance in Colorado doesn’t make it obvious, his game is much better suited for a more wide-open system. And that’s something we would have had to deal with (and he would struggle with) should we have re-signed him long term. IMO, the writing was on the wall and both sides knew it.

Doesn't this also suggest that the coach needs to learn to improvise to maximize the potential of the roster and become a little less rigid? I don't how the coach continues to get a free pass? It sounds like management tries to find the right talent yet then he also tries to rebrand them.

Is the roster turnover for the Canes - the norm for a potential contender?