Coaching is a serious problem.

[teamfirst]

Oh look, a rebuilding team just fired his coach, how impatient they are

 

[gusfring]

I would love to have Richardson back in Montreal.

 

[salbutera]

Oh look, a rebuilding team just fired his coach, how impatient they are

They tanked for Bedard, the GM publicly stated a top-10 pick this year would be considered org failure….

They’re sitting last in the league w their near generational talent having really “regressed” and one year closer to UFA

 

[HabbyGuy]

They tanked for Bedard, the GM publicly stated a top-10 pick this year would be considered org failure….

They’re sitting last in the league w their near generational talent having really “regressed” and one year closer to UFA

This is what happens when a rebuilding team puts an emphasis on winning instead of developing.

They added a ton of UFA's in hopes to improve too quickly. Luke got stuck in no mans land.

Marty is still here because they're sticking to the plan, and he's earned that by doing what's been asked of him, and the players still love playing for him. Despite all the noise in this thread, the team is still very much headed in the right direction. Hiccups and all.

In Chicago not so much, that team is rudderless.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This is what happens when a rebuilding team puts an emphasis on winning instead of developing.

They added a ton of UFA's in hopes to improve too quickly. Luke got stuck in no mans land.

Marty is still here because they're sticking to the plan, and he's earned that by doing what's been asked of him, and the players still love playing for him. Despite all the noise in this thread, the team is still very much headed in the right direction. Hiccups and all.

In Chicago not so much, that team is rudderless.

Marty had success in developing players coming into this season. That buys him time.

And this team has looked a lot better over the past dozen games or so as well.

We’ll still have bad games and blowouts. That’s to be expected. But the team has shown it’s capable of more. If we can go .500 the rest of the way that’s fine.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Oh look, a rebuilding team just fired his coach, how impatient they are

They have the ability to go out and get any coach they want.

Our option is Vigneault for a 2nd time, Therrien or Julien for a 3rd time, or bringing in failures like Guy Boucher.

 

[JianYang]

Matheson was given PP time and used like this at every juncture in the rebuild.

His usage hasn't really changed at all.

That's a Marty problem and it's becoming an annoying trend.

I had stated in the offseason that Matheson would be the PP guy over hutson and he would have to play his way off the #1 unit moreso than the new guy coming in and taking it.

I knew this was going to be a burning issue if hutson was up to the task, and he has been, but that wasn't just some random thought. We can argue whether it's the right thing, but this is the the way I've seen nhl teams function over decades where the veteran doesn't lose their spot in the snap of a finger.

 

[Sorinth]

They tanked for Bedard, the GM publicly stated a top-10 pick this year would be considered org failure….

They’re sitting last in the league w their near generational talent having really “regressed” and one year closer to UFA

The GM also went out and got a number of high priced vets over the past few years who have pretty much all have been busts.

Hall 10 points in 25 games
Bertuzzi 10 points in 26 games
Teravainen 12 points in 26 games
Foligno 11 points in 26 games
Mikheyev 5 points in 24 games

25m spent on a bunch of guys who can't hit .5 ppg. So either the coach is actually doing a terrible job and is deserdevely fired like Ducharme was with us, or the GM is firing him to cover up his own ineptitude. I haven't watched/followed enough of Chicago's games to have a real opinion on the matter, but the moves never looked all that good to me on paper.

 

[Tyson]

The GM also went out and got a number of high priced vets over the past few years who have pretty much all have been busts.

Hall 10 points in 25 games
Bertuzzi 10 points in 26 games
Teravainen 12 points in 26 games
Foligno 11 points in 26 games
Mikheyev 5 points in 24 games

25m spent on a bunch of guys who can't hit .5 ppg. So either the coach is actually doing a terrible job and is deserdevely fired like Ducharme was with us, or the GM is firing him to cover up his own ineptitude. I haven't watched/followed enough of Chicago's games to have a real opinion on the matter, but the moves never looked all that good to me on paper.

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[Lafleurs Guy]

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Bedard’s really in tough in that lineup. Remember Carey Price? His numbers cratered once the team fell apart.

Bedard is all by himself in Chicago.

 

[Tyson]

Bedard’s really in tough in that lineup. Remember Carey Price? His numbers cratered once the team fell apart.

Bedard is all by himself in Chicago.

I deleted because I felt that it was in the wrong thread. Sorry

 

[teamfirst]

They have the ability to go out and get any coach they want.

Our option is Vigneault for a 2nd time, Therrien or Julien for a 3rd time, or bringing in failures like Guy Boucher.

I'm starting to like what i see a little bit more regarding the usage of some guy's so maybe i was a little hard on the guy.....just maybe .

I'll try to hold on my critics a little bit regarding MSL until after Christmas and wait to see how it goes.....christmas time is suppose to be all about love and forgiveness after all

Go Go

 

[HabbyGuy]

I'm starting to like what i see a little bit more regarding the usage of some guy's so maybe i was a little hard on the guy.....just maybe .

I'll try to hold on my critics a little bit regarding MSL until after Christmas and wait to see how it goes.....christmas time is suppose to be all about love and forgiveness after all

Go Go

Good on ya.

As for the rest in this thread...

 

[Heffyhoof]

This is what happens when a rebuilding team puts an emphasis on winning instead of developing.

They added a ton of UFA's in hopes to improve too quickly. Luke got stuck in no mans land.

Marty is still here because they're sticking to the plan, and he's earned that by doing what's been asked of him, and the players still love playing for him. Despite all the noise in this thread, the team is still very much headed in the right direction. Hiccups and all.

In Chicago not so much, that team is rudderless.

????? This makes zero sense. Both our teams are floundering at the bottom for nearly the whole season so far, but our team is on the right path and Chicago is rudderless? Seems like both of our young teams are underperforming with meh vets and getting likely a top-5 pick.

 

[Rapala]

I'm starting to like what i see a little bit more regarding the usage of some guy's so maybe i was a little hard on the guy.....just maybe .

I'll try to hold on my critics a little bit regarding MSL until after Christmas and wait to see how it goes.....christmas time is suppose to be all about love and forgiveness after all

Go Go

Yeah it's very easy to ease up on the coach when the players show up prepared.
I like that we've closed off the freeway the neutral zone was.
Fewer odd man rushes but we still get zoned too often.

 

[River Meadow]

I would love to have Richardson back in Montreal.

Shoot,

While we're at it,

May as well bring back Randy Cunningworth, too.

 

[morhilane]

????? This makes zero sense. Both our teams are floundering at the bottom for nearly the whole season so far, but our team is on the right path and Chicago is rudderless? Seems like both of our young teams are underperforming with meh vets and getting likely a top-5 pick.

Chicago is very much dead last in the league in advanced stats right now. Should finish bottom 3 again.

While MSL was able to correct the ship that was sinking in October by mid-November. Habs won't make the playoffs, but they should climb out of the bottom 5 if they kept their current play...and pick between 6 and 12.

 

[HabbyGuy]

????? This makes zero sense. Both our teams are floundering at the bottom for nearly the whole season so far, but our team is on the right path and Chicago is rudderless? Seems like both of our young teams are underperforming with meh vets and getting likely a top-5 pick.

Ridiculous. The habs are anything but rudderless, it's the complete opposite.

The entire management team, (owner, front office, coaches alike) all share the same directive and are all pulling in the same direction. They're focused on their gameplan for the rebuild and will not be hastenly persuaded to switch course. They trust their process and are determined to see it through.

Chicago on the other hand is a complete mess.

Our meh vets have literally been some of our most consistent players the entire season.

Gallagher
Anderson
Armia
Evans... to name a few.

Then you have the younger vets in Suzuki, Caufield and Monty.

This team has been playing far better the past month or so despite what the standings say, the horrific start has everything to do with that. I promise you the team doesn't even care about the standings either, all they care about is playing consistently better hockey, the standings will take care of themselves.

This team is not floundering, it's slowly progressing, it's going through the process of a young team rebuilding, trying to grow and learn how to win.

It's gonna get ugly at times, y'all gonna need to learn how to deal with it, and show a modicum of patience.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Ridiculous. The habs are anything but rudderless, it's the complete opposite.

The entire management team, (owner, front office, coaches alike) all share the same directive and are all pulling in the same direction. They're focused on their gameplan for the rebuild and will not be hastenly persuaded to switch course. They trust their process and are determined to see it through.

Chicago on the other hand is a complete mess.

Our meh vets have literally been some of our most consistent players the entire season.

Gallagher
Anderson
Armia
Evans... to name a few.

Then you have the younger vets in Suzuki, Caufield and Monty.

This team has been playing far better the past month or so despite what the standings say, the horrific start has everything to do with that. I promise you the team doesn't even care about the standings either, all they care about is playing consistently better hockey, the standings will take care of themselves.

This team is not floundering, it's slowly progressing, it's going through the process of a young team rebuilding, trying to grow and learn how to win.

It's gonna get ugly at times, y'all gonna need to learn how to deal with it, and show a modicum of patience.

I don't disagree with you that our team is isn't as bad as Chicago, but I just don't understand how you claim one team is slowly progressing and the other is a complete mess. It's ridiculous you pretend otherwise.

In the 2021 covid draft, we had the 31st pick, and Chicago the 32nd. (We had 59 points they had 55 but trades and the playoffs changed stuff) They got 62nd and us 63rd+64th. One 3rd rounder each.

In 2022 we had the 1st overall pick and the 26th, while Chicago had the 7th and 13th via us (edit: the fact we traded a top-15 pick for an older top-5 that another desperately rebuilding team didn't want is an indicment on Montreal wanting to speed the rebuild.) and the 25th. In the second round we were pretty even based on number of picks and where they were, but we got Hutson. 3rd round Chicago had 3 picks to our 2.

In 2023 they got Bedard at 1st and us Reinbacher at 5th. They got the 19th pick and 3 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder before we got Fowler as our 2nd pick in the 3rd.

2024 picks haven't impacted either of us. They got the 2nd, 13th and 27th pick with us getting the 5th and 21st. 3 3rds against our 2.

Both our teams are tracking for bottom 5 finishes again. Why is one team clearly progressing and the other isn't especially in light of us finishing better than them in the last two seasons anyways? Considering the quantity and quality of picks as well, it's arguable that they have both more asset value, but also the clearly best player between both teams.

 

[ReHabs]

Both our teams are tracking for bottom 5 finishes again. Why is one team clearly progressing and the other isn't especially in light of us finishing better than them in the last two seasons anyways? Considering the quantity and quality of picks as well, it's arguable that they have both more asset value, but also the clearly best player between both teams.

No, no, you don’t get it.

We’re blessed to have a management group that is fully aligned and driven to succeed. They’re cursed to have a bunch of friggin jerkoffs who don’t know what they’re doing.

We have noble Brendan Gallagher, they have bozo Teravainen. We have powerhouse Anderson, they have loser Bertuzzi. etc

Completely different.

 

[HuGort]

Hutson, Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, and Heinemen don’t exist when you don’t want them to? Or is it that Dach, Newhook, and Barron are just more important and notable players?

More regressed than those. Team as a whole very underachieve. Lack of system.

 

[HabbyGuy]

No, no, you don’t get it.

We’re blessed to have a management group that is fully aligned and driven to succeed. They’re cursed to have a bunch of friggin jerkoffs who don’t know what they’re doing.

We have noble Brendan Gallagher, they have bozo Teravainen. We have powerhouse Anderson, they have loser Bertuzzi. etc

Completely different.

The blackhawk management team haven't a clue as to what they're doing. Their silly ill-advised acquisitions of useless UFA's just furthers that point. They went scorched earth on one end and then tried to speed up the process with crap filler on the other.

They have no direction. Pick a lane for crying out loud.

Can you imagine a team that literally went full blown scorched earth just a few years ago, would be proclaiming anything in the top 10 in this draft would be a deemed a failure? Once again unrealistic expectations rears it's ugly head and it's the coach that needs to pay for their own missteps.

Kind of like this thread.

Fortunately for us we have a management team that actually knows what they're doing, have a plan and the fortitude to see it through. And aren't going to react foolishly to which way the winds blowing on any given day.

 

[HabbyGuy]

More regressed than those. Team as a whole very underachieve. Lack of system.

I don't know how anyone who watches this team on the regular and in the past month in particular, can say the team isn't playing with structure. It's ludicrous.

This thread man, it literally drives me crazy, it's so f***ing stupidly annoying. The multitude of ridiculous posts I could quote in it is staggering. Especially early on.

I'm sorry I'm even reacting to it.

I honestly apologize. Y'all just carry on. I think I just need to avoid it altogether, for my own sanity.

 

[ReHabs]

The blackhawk management team haven't a clue as to what they're doing. Their silly ill-advised acquisitions of useless UFA's just furthers that point. They went scorched earth on one end and then tried to speed up the process with crap filler on the other.

If only we knew of another team that tried to tank on one end and speed up the process with crap players like Newhook on the other end.

Oh well, I guess we’ll never know.

 

[HabbyGuy]

If only we knew of another team that tried to tank on one end and speed up the process with crap players like Newhook on the other end.

Oh well, I guess we’ll never know.

Not doing it.... Not taking the bait,