Management Claude Julien - Part Deux

[TheBigBadB]

I swear Claude will try every combo possible before he let's Pasta and Spooner play on the same line again.

Those lines overall are gross.

My guess is he told management that if you want me to win you do it my way. His way would be getting Spooner off center. He does not like him in a role that he believes is a vital component to defense. I wouldnt be surprised if you see Kelly and Talbot slide in tomorrow night and take over center responsibilites, though I think he likes Atari, so more iffy on that, but Spooner being off center is something Julien has wanted, and honestly I somewhat agree with him on that..and I am not a big Julien supporter.

 

[Number8]

If a team wants to play a certain style of hockey they need to give the coach players capable of playing that certain style.

So far the Bruins haven't done that, they still have too many slow/tough players compared to the number of fast/skill players. The team is schizophrenic that way.

They're trying to change personnel a little at a time in order to preserve playoff viability. It isn't working.

Couldn't agree more. If we'd tried to play "open style" with the D Corp and Forwards, we'd be in Edmonton territory (not bad in terms of rebuild). However we decided to stand with feet on two icebergs at once. Tides are making those bergs drift apart and we are perilously close to falling into cold water!

 

[TMac21]

How did things go when the Bruins tried to go shot for shot with Chicago?

 

[njbruin*]

How did things go when the Bruins tried to go shot for shot with Chicago?

They scored 4 goals. When they tried to play the system they gave up 6 .

 

[TMac21]

They scored 4 goals. When they tried to play the system they gave up 6 .

Giving up multiple 2 on 1s because the D is up the ice being aggressive is not the system I know.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

That system -- the same one that has them currently 5th in League for Goals scored -- is not what failed them last night or just about every night for the past 10 games. If we'd scored on an even modest level over those games we'd be 3rd in scoring behind only Dallas and Washington and watching the standings to determine who we play in PO's -- not whether we get in.

The players have a system which allows them to cover for glaring personnel issues on the blue line while still scoring a lot (despite getting very few PP opportunities relative to the rest of the League).

IMO blaming the Coach or the System is a lazy excuse. The reason is in the mirror when 20+ players have to realize they are on the verge of a late season collapse for second year in a row.

If this is a "lazy excuse", give me non-lazy solution.

You tell me specifically what they did during the course of the season, that they abandoned during these last dozen games.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Giving up multiple 2 on 1s because the D is up the ice being aggressive is not the system I know.

Another words he is saying that when they played the system they let in 6 goals. When they had no choice put to push the offense they were able to score 4 goals.

 

[DKH]

Marchand & Krejci not in shoot out

Rambling confused answers

Talbot recalled

#pray4Clode

 

[njbruin*]

Giving up multiple 2 on 1s because the D is up the ice being aggressive is not the system I know.

The first was a fluky goal on a PP(broken stick)
The 2nd goal was a horrible pass on a 4 on 4 , not sure either falls under the aggressive or system category.

The quick goal in the 2nd was a back breaker and from there the game was virtually over unless the Bruins truly opened it up, which they did after goal #4.

But make no mistake the Bruins played their system and scored zilch for the first 30+ minutes of the game.

 

[LSCII]

Marchand & Krejci not in shoot out

Rambling confused answers

Talbot recalled

#pray4Clode

Hopefully that fancy watch they just gave tells him it's time to update the old resume...

 

[Number8]

If this is a "lazy excuse", give me non-lazy solution.

You tell me specifically what they did during the course of the season, that they abandoned during these last dozen games.

Lack of passion. Did the B's look like a desperate team against Carolina last night to you? They did not to me.

How about against the Devils?

How about against Panthers?

Those last two were must win - could of won -- games. We all knew it. Did they play like that?

Last night was a desperation game. Did they look like that to you?

 

[CriticalBruin]

Lack of passion. Did the B's look like a desperate team against Carolina last night to you? They did not to me.

How about against the Devils?

How about against Panthers?

Those last two were must win - could of won -- games. We all knew it. Did they play like that?

Last night was a desperation game. Did they look like that to you?

Why do you separate the coach and system from these problems?

 

[Number8]

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Why do you separate the coach and system from these problems?

Because the Coach and the "system" got them to a point where, given the clear lack of defensive skill and depth, not many could have expected. A solid chance to be in the playoffs against just about anyone other than Washington.

All they needed to do was play these last 10 games like their season rested on even a .500 performance -- particularly given the fact that Detroit was essentially inviting us to put them in our rear view mirror.

Professional athletes who get the support of management at TDL by not selling, need to approach all of those games with a will to win. Particulalry last night.

Instead we got a fairly passionless (given the stakes) performance in which our only goal was a lucky break in which LE scored on essentially a shootout play.

Not good enough. The Coach and the System can't be expected to take the place for the players playing like the REFUSED to lose.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see it.

True winners hate losing more than they love winning. Coaches and the System can't take the place of that when the chips are on the line.

 

[BMC]

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Because the Coach and the "system" got them to a point where, given the clear lack of defensive skill and depth, not many could have expected. A solid chance to be in the playoffs against just about anyone other than Washington.

All they needed to do was play these last 10 games like their season rested on even a .500 performance -- particularly given the fact that Detroit was essentially inviting us to put them in our rear view mirror.

Professional athletes who get the support of management at TDL by not selling, need to approach all of those games with a will to win. Particulalry last night.

Instead we got a fairly passionless (given the stakes) performance in which our only goal was a lucky break in which LE scored on essentially a shootout play.

Not good enough. The Coach and the System can't be expected to take the place for the players playing like the REFUSED to lose.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see it.

True winners hate losing more than they love winning. Coaches and the System can't take the place of that when the chips are on the line.

Well said!!!!

 

[Therick67]

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Because the Coach and the "system" got them to a point where, given the clear lack of defensive skill and depth, not many could have expected. A solid chance to be in the playoffs against just about anyone other than Washington.

All they needed to do was play these last 10 games like their season rested on even a .500 performance -- particularly given the fact that Detroit was essentially inviting us to put them in our rear view mirror.

Professional athletes who get the support of management at TDL by not selling, need to approach all of those games with a will to win. Particulalry last night.

Instead we got a fairly passionless (given the stakes) performance in which our only goal was a lucky break in which LE scored on essentially a shootout play.

Not good enough. The Coach and the System can't be expected to take the place for the players playing like the REFUSED to lose.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see it.

True winners hate losing more than they love winning. Coaches and the System can't take the place of that when the chips are on the line.

I recall at the trade deadline fans like myself wanted them to be sellers. One of the reasons I was told you can't do that is because 'what message would that send to a team currently in the playoffs'? it would piss them off.

Well, what message have the players sent back?

 

[jgatie]

They scored 4 goals. When they tried to play the system they gave up 6 .

Gotta disagree with you here. The first period of the Chicago game was anything but "The System". That was free wheeling akin to the first games of the year (with much the same result). Not that the push back was no-risk hockey, but what gave up the first 6 was by no means the typical Claude Julien System.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Marchand & Krejci not in shoot out

Rambling confused answers

Talbot recalled

#pray4Clode

I am a Claude defender but there is no defending the bolded.

 

[Rocko604]

I recall at the trade deadline fans like myself wanted them to be sellers. One of the reasons I was told you can't do that is because 'what message would that send to a team currently in the playoffs'? it would piss them off.

Well, what message have the players sent back?

The message is that they don't give a ****. This team is good enough that if they played like their lives depended on it, they wouldn't be 3-8-1 in their last 12 with a -11 goal differential.

As for Claude, I'm not for firing him, yet, but there's no excuse for Marchand and Krecji not being in the shootout. Game 32 on the road? Meh, whatever. Gave 79 when you're one point outside the playoffs? What in the **** is your malfunction, Claude?

 

[OldScool]

I am so sick of blaming the front office, gm, coaches, etc…..blame lies on the players. This is a mentally fragile, soft, non-intimidating team with what seems to be a clear lack of leadership and desperation. Quiet leaders like Bergeron and Chara have to do more. Set the tone. I don't see anyone going above and beyond or any player on the ice that really wants it. NOT ONE. They have no pulse and there is no passion in their play….they mail it way too often.

 

[Therick67]

I am a Claude defender but there is no defending the bolded.

Agreed. In a must win situation, you go with your best players.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

So, you'd like to jettison a Stanley Cup-winning coach who has more wins than anyone in the history of the franchise for a guy that has a losing record as an NHL Head Coach?

Valid point. It's difficult to walk away from a proven winner. I'd hate to see him go on to have success with god forbid, the Habs! But sometimes coaches learn from their first go around and are much better for it. Look at Vigneault, Laviolette and Sullivan, so far. It is possible. It's quite a challenge to see who might be better than Julien, a question that is often asked on here, and rightly so to those who want him gone. I don't know enough about the junior ranks, but at the pro/NHL level, Dineen would be at the top of the list, learning from coach Q. It's an option.

 

[Number8]

I recall at the trade deadline fans like myself wanted them to be sellers. One of the reasons I was told you can't do that is because 'what message would that send to a team currently in the playoffs'? it would piss them off.

Well, what message have the players sent back?

I'm with you. The inescapable message I've seen is that they just aren't that bothered.

They have taken a total of 5 points out of a possible 20 over past ten games. During a period of time when a virtually guaranteed playoff spot (a decent PO slot at that) was without question waiting to be taken.

And yet I've not seen an angry word or an angry play out of the vast majority of the team.

I'd be furious at myself, the coach, my teammates, the refs, the opponents, the media, you name it. I'd sure as hell play like I was furious and fed up.

If you project the last ten games over a full season that would project to a 41 point season!!!!! At a time when it matters most that is shocking, disappointing, and incredible.

Keep in mind, a fair number of players on this team did the EXACT same thing last season.

The system may not be great. The Coach may not be great. However, it is NOT the reason behind this disgraceful limping to the end of the season.

Bottom line is the Coach, the Players, and the System put them in a prime position to have a favorable first round matchup in PO's. It isn't the System or the Coach that hasn't delivered these past 10 games.

I'm pissed. I know that.

 

[patty59]

At the end of the day they could miss the playoffs by one point for the second year in a row. While completely blowing it in the final games of the year.

At some point you need to look back on points that were lost that shouldn't be and one of those was last night and it's not the first time that it's happened. You can look back at last year and see how many times the 4th line was on the ice in the dying minutes of a game or why they were taking an O-zone faceoff after a TV, or why they started a goalie after not playing for a month straight or why Campbell was playing 15 minutes a game and on the PP, why Ferraro is seeing time with Krejci in a must win game or there was a revolving door on the right side of Krejci last year while Eriksson was playing with Soderberg. Why isn't your leading scorer on PP1????

These are all coaching issues. Admittedly the D is garbage and this is probably where they should be right now, but it's hard to swallow when you look back on a game by game basis and see squandered points when all you needed was one.

Claude is probably they only guy on the planet that would have went with Krug before Marchand and Krejci in the shootout. That's on him and it's just one thing in a long list of other head scratchers he's made the past 2 seasons.

When this team was comfortably in the playoffs each year we could chalk that up to Claude being Claude, but you can't do it when you're on the outside looking in.

 

[njbruin*]

Gotta disagree with you here. The first period of the Chicago game was anything but "The System". That was free wheeling akin to the first games of the year (with much the same result). Not that the push back was no-risk hockey, but what gave up the first 6 was by no means the typical Claude Julien System.

The first period was the system at its finest. If you want to argue the 2nd, I might agree.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

This team is has been doing what that Devils team was doing before Clode got fired. Go read articles from when it happened. Its identical to our situation. I've been saying it for about 3 years now. He has to go. Thanks for the cup and the good you've done but its time.

Get me Dineen.

I'm still not sure on what exactly this is. Serious question. Not a Clode fanboy or hater. His teams quit? Freeze up? Run out of gas? Emotionally spent? Scared to make a mistake? Play not to lose? What is it exactly that the coach did or did not do according to this theory?