Value of: Claude Giroux now or at TDL

[HockeyVirus]

I imagine his goal would be to play more than one playoff round.

Then why did he sign with the Sens who can't sniff the playoffs?

 

[DackellDuck]

Then why did he sign with the Sens who can't sniff the playoffs?

His and his wife’s entire family live here and he wanted to raise his kids near them. That’s why he signed.

If he does decide to waive his NMC and leave his family for a few months, it’d be to try for a long playoff run and cup, so why exactly would he pick the Leafs when he could just go back to Florida?

 

[benfranklin]

I can finally put this to use.

 

[ManofSteel55]

If he agrees to waive, he'll go to Florida or somewhere like that for a 4th round pick because he is choosing where he gets to go.

 

[captainpaxil]

His and his wife’s entire family live here and he wanted to raise his kids near them. That’s why he signed.

If he does decide to waive his NMC and leave his family for a few months, it’d be to try for a long playoff run and cup, so why exactly would he pick the Leafs when he could just go back to Florida?

He has a good relationship with chief berube having played for him before. He'd be the kind of leadership the leafs have been looking for

 

[Xspyrit]

If he decides to waive his NMC, it'll be to a team in the East and the return will be Tarasenko-esque.

So... back to Florida or maybe Carolina for a 3rd.

Tarasenko returned two 3rd round picks in the end and Giroux is more valuable than Tank so he would return more than that.

If he agrees to waive, he'll go to Florida or somewhere like that for a 4th round pick because he is choosing where he gets to go.

So there's been a few people suggesting a 3rd/4th round pick...

Why would be worth that little exactly? He has a 0.86 PPG with Ottawa and is a 2-way + PK forward, Tarasenko is offense only

 

[BlueGoose27]

I can see him going somewhere as a rental then re-signing with Ottawa in the summer. This way his wife and son can stay put in Ottawa while he goes off for a few months in pursuit of a Cup.

This right here is what I think happens.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Tarasenko returned two 3rd round picks in the end and Giroux is more valuable than Tank so he would return more than that.



So there's been a few people suggesting a 3rd/4th round pick...

Why would be worth that little exactly? He has a 0.86 PPG with Ottawa and is a 2-way + PK forward, Tarasenko is offense only

Because when a player has a no trade clause/no movement clause and gets to literally decide what team or teams they will go to, there is basically no value left for the team trading him. The team acquiring him will know that there are no competitors for him, and as such, they can lowball the Sens. The only decision they will have to make, is whether a 4th round pick is worth moving him at all, or if they would rather just keep him and not trade him. Some GM's certainly wouldn't take a late pick for a guy like Giroux, and would rather let the contract expire and lose him for nothing. Brian Burke is famous for believing that trading your UFA players for below market value damages the value of all future UFA trades you are making. Some others just want the best asset they can get.

 

[Xspyrit]

Because when a player has a no trade clause/no movement clause and gets to literally decide what team or teams they will go to, there is basically no value left for the team trading him. The team acquiring him will know that there are no competitors for him, and as such, they can lowball the Sens. The only decision they will have to make, is whether a 4th round pick is worth moving him at all, or if they would rather just keep him and not trade him. Some GM's certainly wouldn't take a late pick for a guy like Giroux, and would rather let the contract expire and lose him for nothing. Brian Burke is famous for believing that trading your UFA players for below market value damages the value of all future UFA trades you are making. Some others just want the best asset they can get.

yeah so that was the case with Tarasenko who still returned TWO 3rd round picks, as I already mentioned.

So again, why would Claude Giroux return less?

 

[ManofSteel55]

yeah so that was the case with Tarasenko who still returned TWO 3rd round picks, as I already mentioned.

So again, why would Claude Giroux return less?

Tarasenko was traded for a 3rd and conditional 4th, with 50% retention. Is it really that much different than saying "a 3rd or 4th"? Mid round are marginal assets regardless of how many there are, it seems like an odd argument to start. If I say he'll go for a 4th, and you say it will be a 3rd and 4th or two 4ths, then I wouldn't even debate it, because the amount changed is so minimal.

 

[Xspyrit]

Tarasenko was traded for a 3rd and conditional 4th, with 50% retention. Is it really that much different than saying "a 3rd or 4th"? Mid round are marginal assets regardless of how many there are, it seems like an odd argument to start. If I say he'll go for a 4th, and you say it will be a 3rd and 4th or two 4ths, then I wouldn't even debate it, because the amount changed is so minimal.

Yes, "3rd PLUS a conditional 4th" is different than "3rd or 4th", yes because it's basically DOUBLE the value. Not sure why I have to explain that to be honest... It's simple maths

It's not an "odd argument" at all. You're saying a better and more valuable player is worth 50% of what the other was worth in the same conditions. That is the ODD argument lol

And if mid round picks were as marginal as you seem to think teams would not bother to trade for them. Good managements try to get as many picks as possible as simple as that.

 

[John Mandalorian]

What about Washington? It’s in the East and has a few players that are his age range. Most of the other teams with older well known players are kind of fading out.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yes, "3rd PLUS a conditional 4th" is different than "3rd or 4th", yes because it's basically DOUBLE the value. Not sure why I have to explain that to be honest... It's simple maths

It's not an "odd argument" at all. You're saying a better and more valuable player is worth 50% of what the other was worth in the same conditions. That is the ODD argument lol

And if mid round picks were as marginal as you seem to think teams would not bother to trade for them. Good managements try to get as many picks as possible as simple as that.

I think you are focussing on the wrong part of this discussion and trying to pick a fight about it. I'll put it in plain language for you. It doesn't matter if it's one mid round pick or two mid round picks, the overall point remains the same - the team is going to get less than market value would typically dictate for a player like Giroux because of his not trade clause.

How is a conditional 4th nearly the same value as a 3rd? If 3 = "maybe 4", then the math isn't so simple, is it?

 

[SensFactor]

If I'm Sens I'm asking for a 3rd at the TDL