Classic games trading
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seventieslord
Student Of The Game
All the people who are hoarding these games on old VHS tapes need to do something to get them into the digital age, or they're just going to be tossed out by your survivors when you die. Don't let this stuff be lost to history.
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Exactly. They are sitting on a treasure trove of coveted content. Many of us would make it worth their while to make digital prints of these games.
MadLuke
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tabness
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Most people who are into this aren't doing this for hoarding and would love to more freely and easily share, but copyright is a thing, and the NHL is pretty damn strict at times about simply putting the games up on YouTube (direct personal experience with my account getting copyright striked to hell for putting up games, especially the Wings Leafs 1993 series which seems to have been shared around quite a bit and thus racked up a ton of views and got more heat on it?)
And many of these tapes have already been digitized anyway for preservation purposes. It's a matter of not being able to share them easily.
Even sharing the games for free is a minefield where the copyright owners (NHL and whoever broadcast the game originally) can assert their right.
Again for me personally, don't need the money, would love to just put up everything I got online for free for everyone (f*** YouTube though), happy to let the NHL monetize the stuff themselves too, but they just aren't supportive of fans doing this.
Also, I get that on this particular board there would be a lot of interest for this, but keeping it real, this is a super niche thing, and there's a reason why the NHL shuttered the NHL Vault thing they had going.
So yeah, anyone who really wants a really comprehensive trading list from a guy I can personally vouch for, message me.
You can always message people who put up full games on YouTube and see if they are willing to trade with you as well.
There is a fellow on YouTube who specializes in restoring vintage videos and the recorders and he has a very remarkable collection of these things. His video equipment and tapes go back to about 1968 1969 era and on into the mid to late 1970s when home video was very early and not very common. He's shared some vintage hockey video clips (NHL on NBC circa 1973 with Peter Puck stuff) on occasion and I have the feeling he has that great deal more in his collection but you can imagine Bettman and his people would likely not be very amused if it were to be showcased publicly. My idea of a Holy Grail of such videos would be games CBS broadcast up to about 1971 or 1972 and certainly NBC's games from about 1972 through 1975.
Michael Farkas
Celebrate 68
What about Patreon or the like? We don't have to use YT if we're trying to stay low, putting these things on the most popular site video sharing site in the world is avoidable...
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
It wouldn't be that hard for a bunch of like-minded individuals to gather on a file sharing platform like SoulSeek, share a list of hockey video collectors around, search for those usernames, browse their libraries and download everything you can find. Then everybody has everything and it proliferates naturally from there. It doesn't have to be hosted anywhere public and it doesn't have to be something that you can just click on a website and stream. It can all be played locally by anyone who has it. I've actually got a pretty good library of stuff I recorded off my primitive PVR between 2008 and 2013. All the NHL network classic series, classic games, legends, etc.
Michael Farkas
Celebrate 68
I'll just state for the record, that if there's a way that I can help facilitate this, I will. Right down to buying equipment to get things off of VHS and into a digital file.
I do ping some NHL teams for clips now and again...the response is generally negative, I must admit, disappointingly.
I do ping some NHL teams for clips now and again...the response is generally negative, I must admit, disappointingly.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
And I'm not stingy at all. I would put that in a shared folder on SoulSeek without a second thought, if I knew anybody out there was interested in it. It's just a bunch of zeros and ones, it's not like I would demand equal volume in return, or even anything in return at all. Sure, I did work recording and compiling all this stuff but so did everybody else who recorded their stuff. As far as I'm concerned it's all tit for tat.
The attitude that I have regarding sharing of content and preserving it for posterity, is probably why I'm so annoyed at the gentleman who has digitized every hockey magazine imaginable and then just keeps it on a hard drive where nobody else in the world can see it. Why would you do that?
The attitude that I have regarding sharing of content and preserving it for posterity, is probably why I'm so annoyed at the gentleman who has digitized every hockey magazine imaginable and then just keeps it on a hard drive where nobody else in the world can see it. Why would you do that?
Stumbled upon a game yesterday on YT, a full game and was thinking of starting a thread with full
older games, or is it against the rules to post that?
did a quick check, saw 2 full old games
older games, or is it against the rules to post that?
That man should upload that to Archive.org, a great site, have not checked if the have any hockey related stuff though.
did a quick check, saw 2 full old games
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Years ago, I preserved old VHS films and family stuff from VHS-C, its pretty easy, and wasnt expensive 20-30 bucks, and nowdays with AI upscaling, they can become really nice.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
Definitely, but once it's on archive.org, this person would no longer have the ability to gatekeep who gets to see the content, and it sounds like that's a non-starter for them.
Mandar
The Real Maven
this is a wonderful thread.....would definitely love to see old NYR games from the early to mid 70's.
There is a fellow on YouTube who specializes in restoring vintage videos and the recorders and he has a very remarkable collection of these things. His video equipment and tapes go back to about 1968 1969 era and on into the mid to late 1970s when home video was very early and not very common. He's shared some vintage hockey video clips (NHL on NBC circa 1973 with Peter Puck stuff) on occasion and I have the feeling he has that great deal more in his collection but you can imagine Bettman and his people would likely not be very amused if it were to be showcased publicly. My idea of a Holy Grail of such videos would be games CBS broadcast up to about 1971 or 1972 and certainly NBC's games from about 1972 through 1975.
Why a woman secretly taped 30 years of TV news
Marion Stokes recorded US broadcasts from 1979 until her death in 2012. Her son explains why.
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This is one incredible story, i think it would be released somewhere, she was in the US so there should be games there.
well, this playlist on YT should have something you can see, as far as i could see there is 1019!! full games
vikash1987
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I have a ton of archival games (TV and audio) going back to 1967-68. I love the sentiment on this thread around digitization and preservation. That said, I confess that I probably have a minority/unpopular opinion when it comes to posting copyrighted content on YT. I’m all for posting a teaser clip or two , but I’ve never been a fan of full games being posted freely for all to see—unless, of course, permission is granted from the owner(s)
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
Can you elaborate on that? From my standpoint, I don't really care about what a multi billion dollar corporation would think about it. Why do you? Even if it's technically illegal, it doesn't seem like it's wrong per se, as it is doing no harm to anyone. Just curious about your viewpoint.
vikash1987
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Sure. First, let me clarify: I’m not advocating for draconian censorship on the part of the league’s copyright police, and I’m not advocating for old hockey footage to sit idly on a shelf somewhere collecting dust.
That said, however, “it’s technically illegal” (your words) to post full games without the express permission of the league. I guess I’m old-fashioned in thinking that if something is technically illegal, it shouldn’t be done—even in today’s free and easy age of content creation.
There should be a happy medium: e.g. post clips for all to see, but keep the full games offline, reserved for the truly serious fans/collectors/historians to fully appreciate. That makes much more sense to me.
I’m also considering the precious time and money that needs to be invested by the original source to make such video material accessible in the first place (which is a separate point from copyright and getting permission). If you spend hundreds of hours uncovering rare hockey tapes at estate sales, archives, and other private sources, and if you spend hundreds of dollars out of pocket getting such rare tapes digitized, chances are you would place a lot of intrinsic value on the end product. But that value gets diluted when the next person posts the full game on YouTube for everyone and his brother to see.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
That, too, would be "technically illegal", wouldn't it?
I'm different in that way. For the masses to have access is the exact reason that I'd take the time to do it. That said, I know that expecting to get away with freely broadcasting on Youtube is unrealistic. But having an archive of games and whatever else, in a shared folder (dropbox, drive, soulseek, etc) whose location and access can be shared with anyone interested, would be a-ok with me. The fact that they're getting access to this material "easier" than I did, wouldn't bother me at all. I wouldn't care who is downloading what, or how much, and what they're doing with it. In fact, I'd prefer they take it all and proliferate it further.
I believe that way of thinking is the main reason why scans of the the complete run of every hockey magazine imaginable currently sits on a hard drive not being read anyone - because one guy did all the work to scan it and can't wrap his head around others freely accessing it.
jigglysquishy
Registered User
Old movies (and new movies) can be readily found on torrent websites. No reason you can't upload hockey games too.
Digitizing tapes is a pain in the ass. I paid $250 last year to digitize home movies. But the equipment to do it myself is considerably more expensive.
Digitizing tapes is a pain in the ass. I paid $250 last year to digitize home movies. But the equipment to do it myself is considerably more expensive.
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