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Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

Hoochi Papa said:
What does that mean, that you can't evaluate Armia because he only disappointed in the regular season?

Should he be used as a designated LTIR for the playoffs like Kucherov or Stone?
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That means you replied to someone saying armia great in the playoffs and you said we evaluated that last few years ….. to which my point , how can you evaluate a playoff performer if you not even smelling the playoffs ?
 
ExReHabs said:
Playoff beast Joel Armia scores at a 30pt/season pace in the playoffs. He is already past his prime, so I don't see the point if deferring to his playoff production if he's not the same player he was in his last playoff series. He's allegedly injured right now.

Doesn't it make sense to replace Armia with a younger, quicker, more explosive player? It's not like his production or availability will be hard to replace. The FA market and the trade market will have bottom6 players who can put up 30pts/season with 15min of icetime/gp.
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I agree with that , was just replying to someone who said we have not see. Much of his playoff prowess , well yea , cants see that when you tank
Let’s see this year
 
tazsub3 said:
That means you replied to someone saying armia great in the playoffs and you said we evaluated that last few years ….. to which my point , how can you evaluate a playoff performer if you not even smelling the playoffs ?
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Are you serious?

If he mails it in 3/4 years, there will be a lot to evaluate. Your point makes no sense at all, because what you're trying to say is that he can't be evaluated if the Canadiens don't make the playoffs. If a player has no responsibility during the regular season, he definitely doesn't deserve an extension. The condition you are imposing is artificial and completely unsustainable.

Also, this so called playoff beast mode Armia had Eric Staal and Corey Perry on his line. Two former star veterans with a skill set that rarely seen on the 4th line.
 
GrandmaCookie said:
Should he stay or should he go. He has been playing good hockey lately.
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Absolutely has to go.
He’s been one of the most vanilla, utterly useless players for majority of his contract. Finally has a short good stretch and people are considering resigning him. He’s replaceable.
Dime a dozen. Decent on face offs and that’s it.
All that being said it’s nice that he’s finally providing some offense
 
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Dagistitsyn said:
Absolutely has to go.
He’s been one of the most vanilla, utterly useless players for majority of his contract. Finally has a short good stretch and people are considering resigning him. He’s replaceable.
Dime a dozen. Decent on face offs and that’s it.
All that being said it’s nice that he’s finally providing some offense
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Depends on a few things... Obviously we shouldn't match the market premium offers he'll get this summer with the big cap increase and thin UFA C pool, or if we successfully add a top 6 C while keeping 1 or both of Dach/Newhook...

But if he's willing to stick around on a 1-2 year deal at the cap hit Evans took, rather than cash in, I think he stays quite easily.
 
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Miller Time said:
Depends on a few things... Obviously we shouldn't match the market premium offers he'll get this summer with the big cap increase and thin UFA C pool, or if we successfully add a top 6 C while keeping 1 or both of Dach/Newhook...

But if he's willing to stick around on a 1-2 year deal at the cap hit Evans took, rather than cash in, I think he stays quite easily.
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Would like to keep Dvo around as well on a 1-2 year deal. But man is our forward lines ever crowded (assuming they re-sign only one of Dvo or Armia):

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - newhook - Demidov
Gallagher - Dvo - Anderson
Heineman - Evans - ???

That's one spot up for grabs next season. Kappenen? Then what about our 2C?

I think we are going to see some shit go down this summer. Even if they UFA sign Bennett for ex, that is too many forwards. They will have to trade some
 
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Dvorak has had a good year, but I just don't see how anyone can have any confidence that this is the "real" Dvorak that we will see over the next few years if we were to re-sign him. His bounce back year should get him a decent contract on the FA market and honestly I wish him the best, but it just doesn't make sense for it to be us to sign him.
 
Sorinth said:
Dvorak has had a good year, but I just don't see how anyone can have any confidence that this is the "real" Dvorak that we will see over the next few years if we were to re-sign him. His bounce back year should get him a decent contract on the FA market and honestly I wish him the best, but it just doesn't make sense for it to be us to sign him.
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What part of his game do you think isn't the "real Dvorak"?

He's 29.
Well below his career best ppg pace.
Playing the lowest toi/g of his career.
Lowest goal total (full season) & 3rd lowest sh %.

What he has going for him is that he seems to have fully embraced his role on this team, he's strong in the face off circle and his overall defensive game shows maturity.

None of that seems unlikely to continue if he did return, and his low production doesn't appear tied to physical decline so it's reasonable to expect him to be able to match/maintain the ~10g/30pt output he's provided this year.

It would be foolish to bet on, or pay him to provide top 6 C level play, I'd agree there. But if he's in a bottom 6 C role next year here or elsewhere I bet he continues to be a valuable contributor in that role wherever he lands. Smart hockey player that has figured out his most effective NHL role and is riding his first healthy season in 5 years is what I see.
 
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