Proposal: Chris Kreider to the Avs with Josh Manson as the base

[RoyIsALegend]

@Leonardo87 is a combo Rs-Ducks fan
If I recall correctly he said Vaak was unspectacular but reliable
not seeing anything yet to dispute that
not seeing pos as a fair characterization, not at this pt anyway

that said, fine
let's hear what your fellow Av fans think

I agree with @VikingAv and think your proposal is the usual shtick from you.

Rangers give up tons of spare parts and somehow come away with 1st and 2nd round picks.

It’s the same thing over and over. Your proposals rarely consider the other team’s needs, ensure the Rangers dump off all their crap and spare parts, and always come away with the most valuable asset(s) in the trade.

It’s tiring.

 

[bernmeister]

I agree with @VikingAv and think your proposal is the usual shtick from you.

Rangers give up tons of spare parts and somehow come away with 1st and 2nd round picks.

It’s the same thing over and over. Your proposals rarely consider the other team’s needs, ensure the Rangers dump off all their crap and spare parts, and always come away with the most valuable asset(s) in the trade.

It’s tiring.

it's a depth for futures premise
you need the depth/are asking for D help

Bogen alone is worth a 2nd
the other pick was WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYY deferred
you don't want Vaak fine, no stopgap for you
we can retool and you can decline
but we are not giving you D for free
not for nothing

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Kreider for Miles Wood and a 3rd and I drive Kreider to the airport.

Love him to death but I'm not happy with how he's handled the beginning of his decline. Scoring 50+ a couple years ago really blew his head up. He's the lowest effort 50 goal scorer in the history of the NHL

 

[TGWL]

12 points in 30 games despite a ton of pp1 time. How many assets is he worth if you gotta pay him like 17m over the next 2.5 years at 33-36 yo. I think Manson + Wood + 2nd could get a player who isn't potentially cooked on a better contract, tbh.

I won't disagree that Avs could probably get something more useful to their current needs, but when looking at powerplay time, I think you need to also acknowledge that they're clicking at 18%, and nobody is doing anything. Kreider has 12 points, but 11 are goals, which is still a 30 goal pace on a team generating no offense. Nobody knows for sure if you're going to get 30 out of him once traded, but if you do, 30 goal players still hold value against 6.5m cap.

it's a depth for futures premise
you need the depth/are asking for D help

Bogen alone is worth a 2nd
the other pick was WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYY deferred
you don't want Vaak fine, no stopgap for you
we can retool and you can decline
but we are not giving you D for free
not for nothing

Every single D-man you included is a 3rd pairing or lower player. Most are call-up options and if you're calling them up, the season is in trouble.