Speculation: Chris Johnston "An atom bomb could drop"

[Stephen]

Exactly, he was a very good GM, he got to the 2nd round and lost there, it is a big accomplishment.



I'm not sure the Markstrom deal is a win.

He also signed Huberdeau.



He was very good at trading, look at the haul he got for Tkachuk, Florida got robbed, haven't been following hockey, but assuming Calgary is doing great and Florida is doing bad.



"Strong defensively"

5th worst GA/GP in the playoffs...

Narratives can go a long way.

Are you aware of the state of the Calgary Flames in 2014 when Treliving was hired?

They were headed towards a total scored earth rebuild in their post Jarome Iginla years and somehow managed to patch it up and emerge as a respectable team in a short period of time.

Drafted Bennett, Andersson, Tkachuk and Fox.

Was Markstrom signing a win? A good litmus test is if you can name the Flames starting goalie before him.

 

[notbias]

Are you aware of the state of the Calgary Flames in 2014 when Treliving was hired?

Are you aware of the state of them when he was fired?

They were headed towards a total scored earth rebuild in their post Jarome Iginla years and somehow managed to patch it up and emerge as a respectable team in a short period of time.

Glad he can produce a "respectable" team... and then he ruined them.

Drafted Bennett, Andersson, Tkachuk and Fox.

Was Markstrom signing a win? A good litmus test is if you can name the Flames starting goalie before him.

You just listed 5 players and 4 aren't with the team anymore... most traded by him, and in trades he lost.

Anyway, you can think that he did well, you'd be wrong, but you can think that.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I would like to say screw it but I know I will get sucked in again. I will start the season hoping things will be different but all the while knowing it will be the same crap over agent with the same heartless posers

That was me a couple years ago. Hoping they’ll see the light but expecting the reruns to continue.
Now I’m honestly at the point where I’ve lost interest in the organization. Our (mine own and the teams )ideas of what we want as the leafs identity as a team don’t align so that left me questioning why I would remain committed to a team I feel represents things I disagree with. So when I opted to go camping and fishing rather than watching games 6 and 7 of the Florida series I knew the interest was no longer there.
Hopefully you are rewarded for hanging in there.

 

[Antropovsky]

Just listened to Mark Masters on the former Rosehills podcast.

He said he was intrigued by Pelley saying they want to rebuild the relationship with the media.

Masters said alot changed over the years with the media... like locker room opened later. Some players not there by that time. To interview players they are lined up on a back wall. He said no way to build a relationship with players like they used to be able to do.

Remember when Mirtle said Marner hired private security that harrassed reporters?

The coddling with these guys is too much just to read.

Also... reading that Nylander told Berube that he would play better but needs more mins.

Jeez...these guys are a bunch of soft prima donna babies.

 

[Nineteen67]

Disagree, Matthews is fine. He played great defensively and was great on the draws, obviously his offence sucked this post-season but it's been that way all season due to injury. It's not like he had a phenomenal regular season and a dud in the playoffs.

If you look at Florda, Barkov and Tkachuk haven't played well at all. In my honest opinion, Matthews and Marner out played them. We lost to their 3rd line and NZ defence, Matthews completely shut down the Barkov line.

Build around Matthews, Nylander is one of the leagues best goal scorers. They can be 2 of the main pieces.

I think we move off of Rielly if possible and Marner of course.

Tkachuk is hurt and, if reports are true and he needs hip that explains why he hasn’t been performing as well as he normally does.

Matthews and Nelander on the other hand, need someone to drive the play and let them be the secondary pieces

 

[notbias]

Tkachuk is hurt and, if reports are true and he needs hip that explains why he hasn’t been performing as well as he normally does.

Matthews and Nelander on the other hand, need someone to drive the play and let them be the secondary pieces

Tkachuk is like the 5th best player on his team... that is why he produces well, he sucked in Calgary.

Give Matthews his assignments and deployment and I bet you things improve for him too.

 

[Antropovsky]

If they keep them all I'm not watching until they rebuild again and that's a promise. I'm just not strong enough to waste my time on this exact same core group anymore. I'm too old to spend so much time making myself miserable on purpose. I'm very glad Shanahan is gone but that's not enough by itself.

If they make some real change on the ice then I'll be very interested to see how it goes. No changes, well, I already know how that story ends.

Same... no way im watching this group again. I wont spend another min of my time watching Marner in particular.

The guy is a fraud, who thinks fans are idiots.

He signed his huge contract and said he didnt even look at the offersheets. Lol I bet.

He said in his subsequent thank you letter to fans "they say - you know in Toronto you will be under the microsocope...Toronto you have big expectations and I wouldnt have it any other way" then he proceeded to complain more than any player EVER about the expectations and scrutiny.

He says playoff hockey is a war and hardest trophy to win.... but every year sports networks and former NHL players highlight how Marner plays too soft and avoids physical play.

In the locker clean out he says how in the offseason he will just train and work on being better for next year... Berube and Tree had to force him to finally "put in the work" this past offseason, after he clearly had not been in years past. Matthews trains with Mcdavid. Crosby trains with a bunch of stars. Marner didnt train with anyone. All we see is him on vacations. So.. this year, Marner takes an invite to train with Crosby's group. Marner never takes part in the World Championships after losing out in playoffs.

Wont be wasting my time watching a team who plays him 20 mins a night.

 

[Confucius]

Tkachuk is hurt and, if reports are true and he needs hip that explains why he hasn’t been performing as well as he normally does.

Matthews and Nelander on the other hand, need someone to drive the play and let them be the secondary pieces

Mathews sure but William scored 45 playing with JT, Holmberg, Mcmann, I’d say William drove the play on his line. I’ve seen plenty of rushes from William.

 

[Stephen]

Are you aware of the state of them when he was fired?



Glad he can produce a "respectable" team... and then he ruined them.



You just listed 5 players and 4 aren't with the team anymore... most traded by him, and in trades he lost.

Anyway, you can think that he did well, you'd be wrong, but you can think that.

I don’t think anyone is accusing Tre of being a Stanley Cup winning GM, but your little jabs are based in deep bias or you simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

Tkachuk and Fox both indicated they didn’t want to play in Calgary. I don’t think that’s a Tre issue.

Fox was traded to Carolina with Hamilton, whom Tre also acquired and that brought back Hanifin and Lindholm who were a big part of the Flames for a few years. They both left to free agency. That’s not exactly a Tre issue either either when you’re talking about a 8-10 year arc.

Markstrom was brought in as a medium term solution to a revolving cast of Rittich and Talbot and whatever else. That’s one goalie better than what they used to have. He also drafted Dustin Wolf.

Tre isn’t infallible. He’s made some good moves here in Toronto and made some poor ones as well. Seems to have a solid vision of the way he wants to play. Your little Calgary nitpicks, its uniformed.

 

[notbias]

I don’t think anyone is accusing Tre of being a Stanley Cup winning GM, but your little jabs are based in deep bias or you simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

This is ironic...

Tkachuk and Fox both indicated they didn’t want to play in Calgary. I don’t think that’s a Tre issue.

Go look into why Tkachuk was signed to a bridge, you seem like you need an education on that subject.

Fox was traded to Carolina with Hamilton, whom Tre also acquired and that brought back Hanifin and Lindholm who were a big part of the Flames for a few years. They both left to free agency. That’s not exactly a Tre issue either either when you’re talking about a 8-10 year arc.

D better on paper than in practice, nice.

Markstrom was brought in as a medium term solution to a revolving cast of Rittich and Talbot and whatever else. That’s one goalie better than what they used to have. He also drafted Dustin Wolf.

Markstrom signing never lived up to the hype, but sure, great short term solution on a big contract.

Tre isn’t infallible. He’s made some good moves here in Toronto and made some poor ones as well. Seems to have a solid vision of the way he wants to play. Your little Calgary nitpicks, its uniformed.

Sorry, I am uninformed.

I thought he signed a bunch of aging stars or players past their prime to retirement contracts and got rid of all the youth, I also thought he chased players with intagibles, and I also thought Calgary failed.

Love the vision.

 

[Nineteen67]

Mathews sure but William scored 45 playing with JT, Holmberg, Mcmann, I’d say William drove the play on his line. I’ve seen plenty of rushes from William.

Playoffs. I don’t care about shinny season.
When you need guys to step up do you want to rely on Nylander?

 

[tp71]

Are you aware of the state of the Calgary Flames in 2014 when Treliving was hired?

They were headed towards a total scored earth rebuild in their post Jarome Iginla years and somehow managed to patch it up and emerge as a respectable team in a short period of time.

Drafted Bennett, Andersson, Tkachuk and Fox.

Was Markstrom signing a win? A good litmus test is if you can name the Flames starting goalie before him.

Oh its a great list! The great Ramo/Berra combo, Rittich and Smith for a year, Rittich and Talbot another, the corpse of Jonas Hiller and Nicklas Backstrom, there was a lost season of Chad Johnson and Brian Elliott for some reason, it's a solid list.

Right up there with the graveyard of Toronto goalies in between Belfour and Freddy Andersen.

 

[The Masters]

where was this atom bomb lol

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Surely notbias can’t be for real LOL. I’ve never seen so many awful takes at once. Tre legit gave Calgary every valuable piece they have currently (and before) other than Parekh. Drafted Andersson, Wolf, Mangiapane, Zary, Coronato, Tkachuk (and got insane value for a guy who didn’t want to sign there long term in Weegar, Huberdeau and a 1st) etc., traded for Lindholm and Hanifin, signed Tanev, Coleman, Markstrom and Kadri who are all very solid players all while being under insane pressure from their ownership to make the playoffs. A rebuild was never in the cards for them while Tre was the GM. Tre did outstanding for Calgary and has given them a lot of nice young pieces for them to build around. Notbias continues to be a biased uninformed individual and anything he says should never even be acknowledged, let alone argued. Remember guys, never EVER listen to a Dubasite. They don’t know anything about winning hockey and worship the biggest piece of garbage fraud loser to ever disgrace this beautiful game of hockey.

 

[Torontonian]

"Strong defensively"

5th worst GA/GP in the playoffs...

Narratives can go a long way.

Tough to know what you're talking about when you just look at the numbers on the website and not the games itself. They got blown out in 2 games in the FLA series. That's it... Other then those 2 games, I don't recall Toronto defending like that 9 years like they did in the playoffs

Only games they lost against Ottawa was when they allowed 2 goals or more. Which wasn't often.... How many games in the Ottawa series did they limit them to 2-3 shots in the 3rd period only? Do you think it's fluke in game 6 Toronto held the panthers to 2 or 3 slot chances only?

 

[notbias]

Tough to know what you're talking about when you just look at the numbers on the website and not the games itself. They got blown out in 2 games in the FLA series. That's it... Other then those 2 games, I don't recall Toronto defending like that 9 years like they did in the playoffs

Only games they lost against Ottawa was when they allowed 2 goals or more. Which wasn't often.... How many games in the Ottawa series did they limit them to 2-3 shots in the 3rd period only? Do you think it's fluke in game 6 Toronto held the panthers to 2 or 3 slot chances only?

Goals are just a number, got it.

Sweet, they allowed fewer goals vs a bad team and a lot vs a good team.

They had the highest GA/GP in the 2nd round, thanks for making them look worse.

 

[Torontonian]

Goals are just a number, got it.

Sweet, they allowed fewer goals vs a bad team and a lot vs a good team.

They had the highest GA/GP in the 2nd round, thanks for making them look worse.

Like I said, when you don't watch the games and just look at the website, it's tough to understand what's going on.. you're entitled to a bad take though.

Game 3 they lost 5-4, 2 goals went in off our own d-man and one of them was scored with a wrist shot from the blueline on a 1 on 1. -- are you gonna call that bad defending?

 

[notbias]

Like I said, when you don't watch the games and just look at the website, it's tough to understand what's going on.. you're entitled to a bad take though.

Game 3 they lost 5-4, 2 goals went in off our own d-man and one of them was scored with a wrist shot from the blueline on a 1 on 1. -- are you gonna call that bad defending?

You do realize that the system we play enables more shots to be deflected off D right?

Of course not, you must not be watching the games.

Also, if you want to say goalies let in easy ones, you need to go see if they saved hard ones too, so let's just look at xGA/60... oh, they are 10th, that's not good.

If your argument is always going to be "trust me", then I guess you win, but based on this convo, I have no trust in your opinion.

 

[BlueForever75]

People cutting up Tre have no clue. Regardless of his past moves when in Calgary where he was forced by demands to rid themselves of players. He has been a very good GM thus far. Even some of his trade of Tkachuk from Calgary to Florida. It wasnt bad. Players just didnt work out. But on paper that deal was very one sided for Calgary when it transpired. Huberdeau, Weeger, prospect and a protected first round pick for Tkachuk and conditional 4th rounder is a win everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's if the players who not old players performed at 75% of what they did in Florida before the trade.

What has he done for the Leafs?

1. Revamped the D core
2. Solidified the goaltending
3. Signed Nylander long term
4. Signed Matthews
5. Held on to Knies and Cowan
6. Only GM who had the balls to confront Marner
7. Letting Bertuzzi walk


Sorry everything else is BS that people are stating. Signing Domi? Laughton trade? Carlo trade? All those things still need to be proven. All 3 of those things still have the ability to be great moves. If the Leafs win against Florida are any of these things an issue? No they are not. Give up folks,

 

[Racer88]

Yeah to be honest pretty soon I'll probably take a few months of cutting out all distractions, including this place amd hockey in general, and get some stuff in order. I'm just a bit backed up at the moment, you know? Nothing we can't handle but just burned out. Thanks for the support.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program!

I hear ya

 

[Racer88]

That was me a couple years ago. Hoping they’ll see the light but expecting the reruns to continue.
Now I’m honestly at the point where I’ve lost interest in the organization. Our (mine own and the teams )ideas of what we want as the leafs identity as a team don’t align so that left me questioning why I would remain committed to a team I feel represents things I disagree with. So when I opted to go camping and fishing rather than watching games 6 and 7 of the Florida series I knew the interest was no longer there.
Hopefully you are rewarded for hanging in there.

I hang in but not to the level I used to. I watch most games but found myself missing the odd one this year. It’s still fun to come in here and debate and argue about the Leafs with my fellow leaf fans no matter how delusional we all may be at one point or another

 

[rumman]

I hang in but not to the level I used to. I watch most games but found myself missing the odd one this year. It’s still fun to come in here and debate and argue about the Leafs with my fellow leaf fans no matter how delusional we all may be at one point or another

I skipped the last year of Dubas' disaster and didn't miss as much as I thought I would, the older I get the less I care, be prepared Leaf Nation, this is your future............

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I hang in but not to the level I used to. I watch most games but found myself missing the odd one this year. It’s still fun to come in here and debate and argue about the Leafs with my fellow leaf fans no matter how delusional we all may be at one point or another

This place I will miss.
I get a kick out of the high emotions and knee jerk reactions too but also the reasoned well written posts that have occasionally forced me to either dig deeper or changed my perspective. There are a lot of knowledgeable posters who I respect despite often being on the opposite page.

 

[MajorLeaf]

where was this atom bomb lol

Right here

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

I skipped the last year of Dubas' disaster and didn't miss as much as I thought I would, the older I get the less I care, be prepared Leaf Nation, this is your future............

I’m definitely a more casual watcher in the regular season now. I don’t like much else on TV so I catch the majority of the games, but also don’t lament missing games like I used to.