Speculation: Chris Johnston "An atom bomb could drop"

[stealth1]

They said these same things about Yzerman and Ovechkin until they won. They also said it about Sundin (although he didn't quite make it happen). I would never give up on a player like Matthews. I don't want to give up on Marner either, I just don't know how the numbers can work and he's the next man up right now.

It's not just about winning. It's also how he performs in the playoffs.

The drop in core four scoring from regular season to playoffs

Posting this fully in part to sharpen it.

Difference between reg season points per game and playoffs points per game from the core five between 2016 and now:

Matthews -0.28

Marner -0.23

Nylander -0.07

Tavares -0.32

**What does this mean exactly?**

-0.1 is very typical

-0.2 is underwhelming

-0.3 is historically bad

90% of all NHL players ever are -0.1

It's been 9 seasons of this. This whole mantra of running it back and maybe one year they will finally break though is crazy. These guys are who they are, they aren't winners and they definitely don't hate to lose.

 

[Menzinger]

There will be no new President to bring in. Pelley will handle the business side and Tre/Pridham will manage the hockey side of things. They are more then capable to do so. Pelley has seen enough over the past couple of seasons and how they ended to make sure he stays out of Tre's way.

They have the funds to change the narrative around the Leafs, they have a coach to help with the change as well. Bringing in the likes of Tanev, OEL, Carlo, Stolarz, Laughton and Lorentz are the start of the vision they are attempting to build. They will continue to add to that and subtract the pieces that do not fit the mold or are "passengers" as some have put it.

Yep. Worth noting that it was only until Shanny that they had the president as a desperate role. I believe previously, like during the Burke days the GM held both titles.

I don't really see a need for one unless you have a successful GM like Sakic who wants to take a step back from doing some of the hands on day to day operational stuff.

I doubt they consider getting one until we get to the post-Tre era. And even then nothing set in stone

 

[Trapper]

Yep. Worth noting that it was only until Shanny that they had the president as a desperate role. I believe previously, like during the Burke days the GM held both titles.

I don't really see a need for one unless you have a successful GM like Sakic who wants to take a step back from doing some of the hands on day to day operational stuff.

I doubt they consider getting one until we get to the post-Tre era. And even then nothing set in stone

It’s quite possible they are going to restructure everything.
From the Leafs to the Jays to the Raptors.
A streamlined organization to follow with new reporting structures.
As you say, for now it will be the Tre, Berube show. Tre hired the coach so they should be in the same page.

 

[WillNy29]

It’s quite possible they are going to restructure everything.
From the Leafs to the Jays to the Raptors.
A streamlined organization to follow with new reporting structures.
As you say, for now it will be the Tre, Berube show. Tre hired the coach so they should be in the same page.

if they really do want to play the dump and chase style game it would be nice if they invested in speed demons that can separate the puck from defensemen (size, speed, good sticks etc) throughout the line up so that we can come in waves like that St Louis Blues team did

 

[BlueForever75]

It's not just about winning. It's also how he performs in the playoffs.

The drop in core four scoring from regular season to playoffs

Posting this fully in part to sharpen it.

Difference between reg season points per game and playoffs points per game from the core five between 2016 and now:

Matthews -0.28

Marner -0.23

Nylander -0.07

Tavares -0.32

**What does this mean exactly?**

-0.1 is very typical

-0.2 is underwhelming

-0.3 is historically bad

90% of all NHL players ever are -0.1

It's been 9 seasons of this. This whole mantra of running it back and maybe one year they will finally break though is crazy. These guys are who they are, they aren't winners and they definitely don't hate to lose.

This means absolutely nothing. Lets look back historically:

Steve Yzerman - GP 196 PTS 184
Brendan Shannahan - GP 184 PTS 134
Pavel Datsyuk - GP 158 PTS 107

Alex Ovechkin GP 161 PTS 147

Ron Francis GP 171 PTS 143

Joe Thornton GP 187 PTS 134

Henri Richard GP 180 PTS 129

Patrice Bergeron GP 170 PTS 128

Luc Robitaille GP 161 PTS 126

Dave Andrychuk GP 162 PTS 98

Red Kelly GP 168 PTS 92

And the list can go on and on. In the playoffs you can have many players that outright lead their teams in scoring if not the league in playoff scoring. It doesnt mean they win the cup or are successful as a team in the playoffs. How many Cups has Gretzky lost??? 2 of 6, but lead playoffs in scoring all 6. Didn't McDavid just do that again last season? Lead playoffs in scoring but lose to Florida!!!

Yes it is nice to score at your point a game pace in the playoffs. But lots of hall of famers listed above and there are more.... didnt duplicate the regular season form in the playoffs. But they are still hall of famers and still won cups with their teams. Its a team game. A game of opportunity. A game of bounces and deflections or blocks. Any team can win a cup with the right system and mentality without scoring in bunches. New Jersey has proven this, Boston has as well. Crap Florida and Vegas have. Its not about scoring. Get over it people.

 

[mydnyte]

is getting the final four "a choke"? i mean inherently 31 teams "choke" every year. Final four is a legitimate stanley cup contender...choke seems quite hyperbolic in this sense.

when 1 division is far greater than the other, and then you constantly get swept by whoever comes out of the Atlantic, Yea, thats a choke!

 

[mydnyte]

Chokers. They just manage to swallow a little more food before it kills them than us. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. What are the Canes doing differently each year or are they just running it back?

they just keep running it back and do minimal at the deadline ...they tried this year and it blew up in their face big time.

 

[seventieslord]

1. Signed Nylander to a max deal which will be team friendly in a couple of years compared to other salaries

What?? The guy is 29. He's paid like a top 10 player in the NHL but he's probably about the 30th best player. I doubt that even in 7 years his salary will fall out of the top 30 but his level of play certainly will have fallen out of the top 30 by then.

 

[stealth1]

This means absolutely nothing. Lets look back historically:

Steve Yzerman - GP 196 PTS 184
Brendan Shannahan - GP 184 PTS 134
Pavel Datsyuk - GP 158 PTS 107

Alex Ovechkin GP 161 PTS 147

Ron Francis GP 171 PTS 143

Joe Thornton GP 187 PTS 134

Henri Richard GP 180 PTS 129

Patrice Bergeron GP 170 PTS 128

Luc Robitaille GP 161 PTS 126

Dave Andrychuk GP 162 PTS 98

Red Kelly GP 168 PTS 92

And the list can go on and on. In the playoffs you can have many players that outright lead their teams in scoring if not the league in playoff scoring. It doesnt mean they win the cup or are successful as a team in the playoffs. How many Cups has Gretzky lost??? 2 of 6, but lead playoffs in scoring all 6. Didn't McDavid just do that again last season? Lead playoffs in scoring but lose to Florida!!!

Yes it is nice to score at your point a game pace in the playoffs. But lots of hall of famers listed above and there are more.... didnt duplicate the regular season form in the playoffs. But they are still hall of famers and still won cups with their teams. Its a team game. A game of opportunity. A game of bounces and deflections or blocks. Any team can win a cup with the right system and mentality without scoring in bunches. New Jersey has proven this, Boston has as well. Crap Florida and Vegas have. Its not about scoring. Get over it people.

Your thesis is all wrong. Going back to 2016 cup winners had at least 3 players in the top 5 in scoring. In just about every case it's each teams top players.

 

[Al14]

Matthews for Roman Polak.

Gud trade.

Add Gudas and done deal.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

At this point, I would take Jeff Finger over Morgan Rielly. Lol

No you wouldn't

 

[Kazparov]

You guys are nuts if you think they're going to trade 34 away.

 

[tp71]

when 1 division is far greater than the other, and then you constantly get swept by whoever comes out of the Atlantic, Yea, thats a choke!

8 wins within a stanley cup is not a choke. What was the atlantic like in 2009 when the streak started? Wasnt weak then.

 

[stealth1]

You guys are nuts if you think they're going to trade 34 away.

We all know they won't trade Matthews. He is also part of the problem

 

[Nineteen67]

is we are CHOKERS what would you call the Canes and 14 straight losses when it matters most.

They’re built very similar to the Leafs which is why I’ve often picked the two teams as the least likely to come out of the east.

 

[Trapper]

They’re built very similar to the Leafs which is why I’ve often picked the two teams as the least likely to come out of the east.

The Canes are the Metro Leafs.

 

[Nineteen67]

You guys are nuts if you think they're going to trade 34 away.

We have to assume he wasn’t injured this year despite his claim so why wouldn’t he be on the table. From his birth to this moment in time there’s been nothing to indicate that he can lead a team to a Cup. Everything suggest he can’t.
If I’m the GM I keep him, yet plan around McDavid, and if he’s off the table, I move Matthews.

 

[Kazparov]

We have to assume he wasn’t injured this year despite his claim so why wouldn’t he be on the table. From his birth to this moment in time there’s been nothing to indicate that he can lead a team to a Cup. Everything suggest he can’t.
If I’m the GM I keep him, yet plan around McDavid, and if he’s off the table, I move Matthews.

I'm not making an argument to keep him (or trade him for that matter.)

I'm making a statement about Leafs management.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'm not making an argument to keep him (or trade him for that matter.)

I'm making a statement about Leafs management.

Before they do anything they’d better talk to McDavid’s camp and see if they can land him. If they cant, you trade Matthews as soon as you can. We’re stuck with him for another year regardless.