CHL players that are going NCAA

Yeah I imagine so. Wonder if we'll see expansion at the D1 level - could definitely see it becoming more attractive to universities if the league starts to get more eyeballs, which it should.
Expansion in some. Contraction in others. Like I'd imagine the Big ten would love add in Illinois or hell get the LA schools involved along with oregon and washington. But then programs that are on the level of what AIC was might go by the wayside. Might actually help create a viable DII option down the road.
 
It'll be interesting to see how future changes between the CHL/AHL agreement affect the development pathway. If 18 and 19 year old CHLers were allowed to play in the AHL, I think that would stem the bleeding for the CHL. As it stands, the NCAA is a clear stepping stone between major junior, and pro hockey. The age difference is the primary factor that differentiates the NCAA from the CHL, and it does a really good job of providing top prospects with an environment to continue their development, face a new challenge, and a higher level of hockey, without having to take on the rigors of the NHL.

It's really disappointing from the perspective of a Canadian, and a CHL fan, to have talent flow into the US, but I think it's impossible to ignore the obvious appeal for these players.

Hopefully if players only play a single NCAA season, like McKenna, then when they are drafted, they are drafted out of the CHL, as well as the NCAA. When McKenna is called first overall at the NHL draft, it should not be the NCAA program that gets the credit at the draft podium, and the NCAA should not be taking credit for graduating X NHLers. The CHL should still be taking credit for the NHLers they graduate, regardless of whether they play their draft season in the NCAA, or not.
I guess not just playing against adults but also, college is a failsafe in case hockey doesn't work out
 
Lots of them. Especially big Cs like a Michael Rasmussen.

Not only do they over-dominate their D+1 year in the CHL, many times they had to burn their 19yr old year as well, playing limited minutes in the NHL, when they needed to be playing in the AHL….. but weren’t allowed to.

He’s a perfect example of a player who had nowhere to further develop for 2 years after being drafted. It’s why many times, we don’t see the NHL careers of big Cs blossom, until they’re 26-27 years old.

Those are the players who will be helped most by the new system. The Dach and Rasmussen’s of the world. Who in today’s system would go to the NCAA as 18 yr olds. Not be forced into the NHL too early, or burning years over-dominating in the CHL.
Neither was a phenom, I’m talking absolute locks for 1A.
 
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Big Ten doesn't care about hockey. And despite rumors every couple years, there is basically zero momentum behind adding any teams.
Illinois did a lot of research into going to D1 but nixed it when COVID hit and athletic department budgets were in flux. Maybe come back to it at some point but the issue is always arena then Title IX meaning you really gotta add two.
 
The rushed/not handled right discussion

Dach is a bad one also. Chicago and Detroit were just stupid and rushed them when both were no where near too good for the WHL and needed another year. The biggest benefit potentially now for players who do end up NCAA is it will save them from being rushed by incompetent teams.
Dach was good his rookie year. Kind of all down hill when he got hurt in the pre-tournament at the wjc the next season
 
I guess not just playing against adults but also, college is a failsafe in case hockey doesn't work out
It's obviously not going to happen, but if Canadian universities could somehow be a part of the NCAA, then it would probably help the CHL as well. The CHL already offers a one year scholarship to a Canadian university for each year a player plays in the CHL, but then they are forced to play USports hockey, which is obviously not NCAA. USports is a fine option for players that don't have real pro aspirations, but the NCAA lets players keep both dreams alive.
 
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It's obviously not going to happen, but if Canadian universities could somehow be a part of the NCAA, then it would probably help the CHL as well. The CHL already offers a one year scholarship to a Canadian university for each year a player plays in the CHL, but then they are forced to play USports hockey, which is obviously not NCAA. USports is a fine option for players that don't have real pro aspirations, but the NCAA lets players keep both dreams alive.
That's fair but 95+% of Canadian players going to the NCAA don't really have pro dreams, ie NHL ones maybe minor pro and some small skilled guys go to Europe.

Most of them are just delaying adulthood that's all and it's too early to tell if we are just going to see a lot of older guys in their last year or or overage jump and maybe a few elite guys but I don't expect a huge wave of top players jumping the CHL to the NCAA honestly unless there are other changes in the CBA.
 
Are American fans OK with all these Canadians taking college spots?
You'd have to think American development will suffer.
As an American that loves and follows NCAA hockey at first I was adverse to it, I'm just more of a traditionalist and liked it as is. But it's undeniable it'll be way better for the game moving forward and I've changed my mind. I'm for it. I do however hope the USHL remains as competitive as it is now but we'll see.

For example, Bowling Green is just under 2 hrs from me and have been to various games over the last few years. They now have one of the better recruiting classes coming in (I think 9 or 10 WHL kids?) You see the immediate pull Dennis Williams coming from the WHL / Hockey Canada has on that program. Kind of wonder if he was privy to this change coming and another reason whey he took that job even though BG is his alma mater. But how can I not be excited about watching that quality of hockey in an easy driving distance?

To your point, they'll probably push out a couple bottom players on that team to be as competitive as possible. Will be fun to see how the team improves this year and who their non-conference opponents will be.
 
That's fair but 95+% of Canadian players going to the NCAA don't really have pro dreams, ie NHL ones maybe minor pro and some small skilled guys go to Europe.

Most of them are just delaying adulthood that's all and it's too early to tell if we are just going to see a lot of older guys in their last year or or overage jump and maybe a few elite guys but I don't expect a huge wave of top players jumping the CHL to the NCAA honestly unless there are other changes in the CBA.
This whole “college hockey is where you go if you’re not serious about being a pro” mindset is about 20 years out of date.
 
I think it's great for college hockey. It will only improve quality which will help grow the game in the states. It should bring in more Canadian viewership also.
Do you think an effect down the line could be increasing the draft year to 19? I mean with much more players that will be coming in as 18-19 year old freshmen it could be a possibility to give NHL scouts a couple more years of tracking development when making these decisions.

I thought the tires were kicked around about this topic a few years ago but never went anywhere.
 
Yes, but that's the same for the CHL, which is an earlier and lower level in the weed out process.
Not denying that but the onslaught of elite talents going south was premature and really will depend on which NHL drafts the top guys as well.
 
Do you think an effect down the line could be increasing the draft year to 19? I mean with much more players that will be coming in as 18-19 year old freshmen it could be a possibility to give NHL scouts a couple more years of tracking development when making these decisions.

I thought the tires were kicked around about this topic a few years ago but never went anywhere.
They won't change it (or at least change it very easily) because it would open up a legal can of worms about unfairly restricting labor. Once they changed the draft age to 18 in 1980, it made it very hard to go back on that. The 1995-2002 NCAA opt in rule where you couldn't get drafted until before your 19 year old season if you wanted to keep NCAA eligibility was odd & I'm glad they got rid of that.
 
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Like mentioned, losing TOP tier guys in their second or third season will not be made up for by getting some more young Americans.

They're not just going to get some young Americans; they are also going to pull a bunch of Canadian players who in the past would've avoided CHL. There are lots of Canadians who have taken the NCAA route, right? Those guys couldn't play in the CHL, right? They played BCHL/Junior A/USHL instead. And that includes the likes of Power, Fantilli, Celebrini who wouldn't have any real reason now to play USHL instead of CHL.
 
That's fair but 95+% of Canadian players going to the NCAA don't really have pro dreams, ie NHL ones maybe minor pro and some small skilled guys go to Europe.

Most of them are just delaying adulthood that's all and it's too early to tell if we are just going to see a lot of older guys in their last year or or overage jump and maybe a few elite guys but I don't expect a huge wave of top players jumping the CHL to the NCAA honestly unless there are other changes in the CBA.
I think if USports hockey were comparable to NCAA hockey, then it would be an attractive option to a lot of top CHLers, in the same way that NCAA hockey is now. It's just not, unfortunately. The schooling is comparable, so if that is their primary motivation, I think the CHL already offers an attractive pathway to a degree in a way that they don't get from the NCAA, just beause of the scholarship.
 
They're not just going to get some young Americans; they are also going to pull a bunch Canadian players who in the past would've avoided CHL. There are lots of Canadians who have taken the NCAA route, right? Those guys couldn't play in the CHL, right? They played BCHL/Junior A/USHL instead. And that includes the likes of Power, Fantilli, Celebrini who wouldn't have any real reason now to play USHL instead of CHL.
And Europeans. There a decent amount that stayed in Swedish or Finnish junior leagues or went to the USHL to keep eligibility. Plus the CHL just started letting Russians back in.
 
They're not just going to get some young Americans; they are also going to pull a bunch of Canadian players who in the past would've avoided CHL. There are lots of Canadians who have taken the NCAA route, right? Those guys couldn't play in the CHL, right? They played BCHL/Junior A/USHL instead. And that includes the likes of Power, Fantilli, Celebrini who wouldn't have any real reason now to play USHL instead of CHL.
Yes expectation is those guys would play 1-3 season in CHL prior to ncaa moving forward.
 
They're not just going to get some young Americans; they are also going to pull a bunch of Canadian players who in the past would've avoided CHL. There are lots of Canadians who have taken the NCAA route, right? Those guys couldn't play in the CHL, right? They played BCHL/Junior A/USHL instead. And that includes the likes of Power, Fantilli, Celebrini who wouldn't have any real reason now to play USHL instead of CHL.
Eli McKamey for the Royals is a great example. If not for the change, he would be playing in the BCHL next year. As it stands, he's likely going to be playing for the Royals next year.
 
They're not just going to get some young Americans; they are also going to pull a bunch of Canadian players who in the past would've avoided CHL. There are lots of Canadians who have taken the NCAA route, right? Those guys couldn't play in the CHL, right? They played BCHL/Junior A/USHL instead. And that includes the likes of Power, Fantilli, Celebrini who wouldn't have any real reason now to play USHL instead of CHL.
True, but also the likes of Power, Fantilli, etc will play their draft year and then go to NCAA. So you'll still get them in fairly raw form.
 
They aren't clamoring to watch Val d'Or vs Charlottetown either. If given the option I could see more Canadians watching NCAA games, that is all I'm saying.

That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison because Val d'Or and Charlottetown at least have the people in those communities who are fans of and have connections to those teams, which is really what the CHL is based on. It's not really a concern for the CHL or the teams if someone from Coutts, Alberta isn't clamouring for Val d'Or vs Charlottetown.

It's not wrong to think more Canadians would watch NCAA games but the broad strokes majority would watch it the same way they watch the CHL, as in very surface level unless it's a major event (and even then...). For example, if McKenna does end up going to Michigan, people will pay some attention to Michigan because that is where McKenna is playing. They aren't going to watch because they want to be a fan of Michigan, they want to see McKenna highlights.
 
That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison because Val d'Or and Charlottetown at least have the people in those communities who are fans of and have connections to those teams, which is really what the CHL is based on. It's not really a concern for the CHL or the teams if someone from Coutts, Alberta isn't clamouring for Val d'Or vs Charlottetown.

It's not wrong to think more Canadians would watch NCAA games but the broad strokes majority would watch it the same way they watch the CHL, as in very surface level unless it's a major event (and even then...). For example, if McKenna does end up going to Michigan, people will pay some attention to Michigan because that is where McKenna is playing. They aren't going to watch because they want to be a fan of Michigan, they want to see McKenna highlights.
So do you think the person from Coutts, Alberta will be more likely to watch a Nebraska-Omaha vs Michigan Tech game, or a Val d'Or vs Charlottetown game? My point is hopefully the exposure spreads to Canada and NCAA hockey can garner the fan from Coutts Alberta.
 
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So do you think the person from Coutts, Alberta will be more likely to watch a Nebraska-Omaha vs Michigan Tech game, or a Val d'Or vs Charlottetown game? My point is hopefully the exposure spreads to Canada and NCAA hockey can garner the fan from Coutts Alberta.
The Val D’or game. I’m from Michigan and a U of M fan and don’t really care about NCAA hockey. I’ll throw on a game from the Q instead on turning on BTN to watch Wisconsin vs Penn St.
 
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