CHL players that are going NCAA

[Hockeyville USA]

It will have more of a demand in Canada too. Sure fans will still watch their local/favorite CHL team, but they'll want to check out where these kids they just saw the last couple years are going next. TSN+ already shows several college games but I don't think many Canadians even watch them. They will be now.

Yep, we could see a ton of Kitchener Rangers and London Knights fans start watching Michigan games if several of their top end guys end up in Ann Arbor, for example.

 

[WarriorofTime]

If 18 and 19 year old CHLers were allowed to play in the AHL, I think that would stem the bleeding for the CHL.

If the goal is to just spite NCAA I suppose, but wouldn't the end result of CHL players leaving when they're 18/19 be the exact same?

Only benefit would be transfer agreement money I suppose...

 

[NTDP]

I generally think talents wins out. Like McDavid could have played Jr. A leading up to his draft and he still would have ended up as what he is.

I agree w/ this. Having seen McDavid live in those years if he were coming up today he'd still go OHL until his draft year then head to the NHL.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The players get announced as being drafted from the team they spent that season with. Adam Fantilli was drafted out of the University of Michigan, so that's how it gets announced, but the Chicago Steel still get developmental credit for him, although Fantilli's primary developmental years were spent with the Toronto Jr Canadiens & Toronto Red Wings in the GTHL (plus he spent a year at Kimball Union).

Yeah I don't see it as a big deal. James Hagens and Cole Eiserman were teammates at the NTDP then went to Boston College/Boston U respectively once they completed their time there. Eiserman's draft year was a year ago so he was announced as from the NTDP, Hagens is a late birthday so he'll be announced as from Boston College.

It's not really about "credit", it's just literally saying the team they played on the prior season. The "credit" can be doled out as many ways as you want, and everywhere any of these kids pass through will be glad to plaster their names on the website and tell prospective parents, etc. about they made so and so who they are.

 

[Kingpin794]

If the goal is to just spite NCAA I suppose, but wouldn't the end result of CHL players leaving when they're 18/19 be the exact same?

Only benefit would be transfer agreement money I suppose...

I mean there aren't alot of 18/19 year olds that would benefit from playing in the AHL, not that that fact wouldn't stop GM's from trying it too often.

 

[wetcoast]

Strangely hostile. He scored 72 goals in his second year and still had to play two more years. I generally think most high end guys shouldn’t stay in the same level of competition for more than two years. Three/four as you push down the ranks.

The grass is always greener in the alternative other side I guess.

Lots of NCAA guys stay a full 4 years and still don't really work out too right?

The CHL is a great provider for the NHL and that might be why people want to knock it down continually.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The grass is always greener in the alternative other side I guess.

Lots of NCAA guys stay a full 4 years and still don't really work out too right?

The CHL is a great provider for the NHL and that might be why people want to knock it down continually.

I mean a lot of guys just aren’t that good. It doesn’t mean they would have been nhl superstars if they played somewhere else when they were 18.

 

[wetcoast]

I mean a lot of guys just aren’t that good. It doesn’t mean they would have been nhl superstars if they played somewhere else when they were 18.

Same principle applies to all player IMO, sure some players might benifit from a change of scenery and a challenge but it's overblown.

look at all the Jordan Dumas is too good for the Q needs to play in the AHL, usually doesn't work out.

 

[WarriorofTime]

look at all the Jordan Dumas is too good for the Q needs to play in the AHL, usually doesn't work out.

and now there's another option for a guy like that, to play in college for a bit

 

[Torts]

It's all still and will probably always be based on that specific players situation. For example, if McKenna was born 4 months earlier none of the dialog around him exists because he'd be drafted and go to the league.

Not every shoe (skate) will fit every foot. Some college players won't get the resources, playing time, NIL, etc... promised and they'll switch to the CHL (Christian Humphreys in Kitchener for example). Some players might play a year or two in CHL to prepare for NCAA (Jack Pridham). USNTDP players might go straight to college and some might spend a year or two in USHL or CHL. Lots of variables...like consumers though - more options is better.

 

[AyeBah]

Quality of NCAA hockey is about to take a big jump. Looking like it's going to be the #1 destination for all top North American prospects (and probably some European too).

Wonder the impact that will have on viewership.

Should make the transition to the NHL even smoother for those guys. Yeah, it's less games, but they're against actual adults. Plus they'll get way more gym time.

They need to ink a legit TV deal. MSU played ranked games on BTN+, a literal paid service with college kids announcing. It is so bush league. Not to mention games just on that disaster of an app ESPN+ is often best case scenario for College puck. The production value was significantly below the on ice product before, and now it is going to be holding the league back big time. Someone with marketing success in another sport needs to take charge because it would be a shame if NCAA is stacked but nobody can watch/ the broadcast is trash

 

[macbowes]

If the goal is to just spite NCAA I suppose, but wouldn't the end result of CHL players leaving when they're 18/19 be the exact same?

Only benefit would be transfer agreement money I suppose...

I can imagine where players could be loaned back to their CHL teams if they aren't ready for the AHL, or leave the CHL mid-season to go up to the AHL, if they are ready. I think it could keep players in the CHL a little bit longer, if they could move between the AHL/ECHL/CHL. Plus, it lets NHL teams get their development team working with their prospects sooner. Spiting the NCAA is only a tangential benefit

 

[Golden_Jet]

Did the other thread, that was going on for months on this topic get closed or something?

 

[Bonin21]

I think it hit 100 pages or whatever

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

I generally think talents wins out. Like McDavid could have played Jr. A leading up to his draft and he still would have ended up as what he is.

This is also how I tend to see it.

 

[coooldude]

Interesting dilemma for the top draft eligible skaters that I don’t see mention of. Why would someone like Misa commit if he has a real chance at making an NHL roster next season?

More straightforward for everyone else, but I’m not sure when or how to make this decision if I’m the caliber of prospect who has a real — but not certain — chance of going to the NHL right away.

As previously stated in this thread - the top guys considering NCAA (Misa, Martone) will likely get it checked off with their NHL team before they officially commit. Unless they plan to wait out for free agency, which would be silly for the top guys to do.

It'll be interesting to see how future changes between the CHL/AHL agreement affect the development pathway. If 18 and 19 year old CHLers were allowed to play in the AHL, I think that would stem the bleeding for the CHL.

Definitely, I and others have said so in the other thread for months.

Hopefully if players only play a single NCAA season, like McKenna, then when they are drafted, they are drafted out of the CHL, as well as the NCAA. When McKenna is called first overall at the NHL draft, it should not be the NCAA program that gets the credit at the draft podium, and the NCAA should not be taking credit for graduating X NHLers. The CHL should still be taking credit for the NHLers they graduate, regardless of whether they play their draft season in the NCAA, or not.

Should the USHL get credit for Celebrini's development?

 

[Wieters]

Did the other thread, that was going on for months on this topic get closed or something?

That thread will be fun to look back on in a few years. A lot of definitive statements about what will and won't happen. Almost like no one knows what the future holds and that repeatedly wishcasting a certain result doesn't make it more likely.

 

[macbowes]

Should the USHL get credit for Celebrini's development?

I think so. Maybe the USHL cares less, because there's a loose association of the USHL with the NCAA, by virtue of them both being American organizations. In the case of Canadian CHLers that play just their draft season in the NCAA, I think it would be unfortunate for CHL organizations, and Canadian hockey in general, to not get as much recognition on the draft floor going forward as a result of this change.

 

[LeProspector]

I think it hit 100 pages or whatever

I initially wanted to use this as a thread to post rumours/confirmed players that are going after playing in the CHL, the higher end, more notable guys who still have CHL eligibility left… but it has essentially turned into what the other thread.

Alas, it’s nice to have different threads so you don’t need to sift through 3,000 posts to find what you’re looking for.

 

[coooldude]

I think so. Maybe the USHL cares less, because there's a loose association of the USHL with the NCAA, by virtue of them both being American organizations. In the case of Canadian CHLers that play just their draft season in the NCAA, I think it would be unfortunate for CHL organizations, and Canadian hockey in general, to not get as much recognition on the draft floor going forward as a result of this change.

He played one year in the USHL and one year, draft year, in NCAA. Seems silly to give credit to the D-1 program just because.

Going back to your original point, if the last year of your development is almost definitionally the most important year in your development, and these players go to the NCAA for their important draft year, why in the world wouldn't their NCAA program get credit for that year? It's not like that year of coaching, training, and on ice performance mattered less than the years before.

 

[jtechkid68]

Not so sure.

the top end guys sure, they need a better level, some of the 19 year olds are going to regret it when they’re on the 4th line.

Some of these teams will make promises they can’t keep and some guys will get lost in the shuffle or buried. Super teams aren’t what they’re cracked up to be.

From there, some guys need to play, others need to be in the gym. A guy like McKenna sure needs a higher level, but to go from 70 games to 40 and then to 80 ? Not sure that part makes sense. For the guys foregoing their OA seasons yeah I think that’s fine.

Some guys will derail their careers on these super teams because they’ll get stuck in a situation where they go from being line to line 3 or the bench. The very top end shouldn’t worry but some guys are going to learn a harsh lesson.

Short term sure the CHL will take a hit, but I’m not sure this will be a yearly exodus because there will be horror stories and anyone around the college game in any sport would know that they’ll promise you whatever but delivering is a different story.

It happens everywhere, CHL included. Just don’t think this is going to work out for everyone.

Everybody going to Michigan but who is going play third or fourth line or limited minutes ? In addition , you usually need some older kids to provide leadership - grit so you need to becarefull what you bring in . Michigan coach looks like he’s on the hot seat after last year - transfers ect so going all out but still will not win it and probably will be fired after season ,

 

[wetcoast]

As previously stated in this thread - the top guys considering NCAA (Misa, Martone) will likely get it checked off with their NHL team before they officially commit. Unless they plan to wait out for free agency, which would be silly for the top guys to do.

Definitely, I and others have said so in the other thread for months.

Should the USHL get credit for Celebrini's development?

A guy like Celebrini would ahve devloped just fine in the WHL

 

[clevelandcane]

I love the CHL for the Canadian fans like I love the NCAA for the US fans. As long as both stay strong I'm happy. I wouldn't want to see either league depleted.

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

Everybody going to Michigan but who is going play third or fourth line or limited minutes ? In addition , you usually need some older kids to provide leadership - grit so you need to becarefull what you bring in . Michigan coach looks like he’s on the hot seat after last year - transfers ect so going all out but still will not win it and probably will be fired after season ,

And that’s the issue, how many of them will be happy when promises are broken ?

 

[Bonin21]

I love the CHL for the Canadian fans like I love the NCAA for the US fans. As long as both stay strong I'm happy. I wouldn't want to see either league depleted.

CHL will get a little worse
NCAA will get better with 5-10 ultra high end players coming out of each draft class