Possibly, yes.
Generally they pay for one year of books, tuition and compulsory fees at a Canadian or American school for each year of play in the CHL, unless the player signs an NHL contract.
CHL Players into NCAA... What happens?
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Generally they pay for one year of books, tuition and compulsory fees at a Canadian or American school for each year of play in the CHL, unless the player signs an NHL contract.
The United States Golf Association has the answer for you and explains it far better than I could on this board. And for what it's worth, in this case, a contract with a CHL team is equivalent to attempting to earn a PGA tour card, not playing in an open tournament that has rules in place specifically designed to protect eligibility. The hockey equivalent of the latter would be more like Da Beauty League or the Foxboro Summer Pro League.
Are you certain guys aren't getting paid? I find that hard to believe simply for the fact a contract requires consideration for it to be enforceable. Ie., I can't sign you to a contract, which binds you to certain terms, without you receiving some kind of consideration($). And the only things stopping a player from being in that situation in the CHL are age, and whether a team deems a player worthy of being signed. Let's also not forget the fact the CHL and NHL have an agreement that players who don't make the NHL team go back to the CHL team, rather than go to the minor leagues like every other sport. Why would an "amateur student-athlete" league need that? The CHL is a professional hockey league except when it suits their purposes for financial reasons(don't pay players, etc.).
The golfer declares as an amateur and receives no prize money for making the cut.
The NCAA is also one of the last organizations clinging to the "amateur" sham. "Love of the game", "gentleman athlete" were all just euphemisms to hide what it really meant: rich people wanting to keep poor people out of their games.
The point someone brought up of how do NCAA player in the world juniors is a good question.....
The answer is money.... but you're playing against/with actual NHL players, Kirby Dach for example. Not even ELC. Guys that have 0 attachment to any junior hockey
So this tournament is magically excluded from the rules??
The answer is money.... but you're playing against/with actual NHL players, Kirby Dach for example. Not even ELC. Guys that have 0 attachment to any junior hockey
So this tournament is magically excluded from the rules??
mouser
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The world juniors tournament isn't paying players. US Hockey isn't paying the players. And the NCAA isn't paying the players.
What's the discrepancy?
royals119
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There were some other posts that said the NCAA isn't really considering the stipend as the main reason that CHL is considered "professional", it is because there are NHL contracted players in the league. If that is true, then playing against NHL contracted players in the world juniors tournament should also be off limits.
So they point is, maybe that's not true. Maybe it is the stipend - or maybe it is something else - or maybe the rules are just inconsistent.
The NCAA is saying the CHL is professional, based on varying different criteria. Given how "careful" the NCAA likes to look about maintaining the sanctity of "amateurism," it is curious how they don't apply a contamination rule like ruling bodies used to do for track and field. (ie you run a 400m against someone deemed professional, you are now professional as well.) They can get away with it in an individual sport, but if you're on a team with an actual NHL player....gets a little muddy. Not sure I completely agree, but it is a legit question, IMHO.
cheswick
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The NCAA's mandate isn't to get the highest tier of player possible.
WolvesAndWings
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I feel like whenever this conversation happens, most people involved are too naive to realize that the vast majority of hockey scholarships are not full-rides, and forget that international student fees are beyond stupid. Kids are gonna put themselves in alot of debt to make this jump, and remember as well that the CHL education package does not include international tuition fees.
It will cost most 18/19 year old Canadian kids thinking of making this jump a fortune, especially as the ones who are not NHL draft picks aren't going to be hot commodities for the higher end hockey programs that would offer the better scholarships.
Not saying that players won't do it, I just think too many assumptions are being made here.
It will cost most 18/19 year old Canadian kids thinking of making this jump a fortune, especially as the ones who are not NHL draft picks aren't going to be hot commodities for the higher end hockey programs that would offer the better scholarships.
Not saying that players won't do it, I just think too many assumptions are being made here.
Nor will they. OP was very confused about legislation the being proposed and what it entails.
LadyStanley
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CHL will be still be the preeminent development league.
Not sure you'd have too many guys head to the NCAA. Even the guys who havent been signed by 20/21, they will still try to latch on with an ECHL/AHL team or one overseas. I can't see how playing a couple years of college hockey will help them unless they are really late bloomers.
That would be downgrading it.
NCAA thinks its pro hockey because players get a weekly stipend from their team, which is not reasonable since there really isn't time for them to have a part time job.
Believe they cover 1 year of education for every CHL season you played (or were on a teams roster). Not sure if that applies to the NCAA though, those schools are typically more expensive than Canadian ones, and as a league with 90% of its teams in Canada, they obviously push for players to attend schools there.
Not sure you'd have too many guys head to the NCAA. Even the guys who havent been signed by 20/21, they will still try to latch on with an ECHL/AHL team or one overseas. I can't see how playing a couple years of college hockey will help them unless they are really late bloomers.
That would be downgrading it.
NCAA thinks its pro hockey because players get a weekly stipend from their team, which is not reasonable since there really isn't time for them to have a part time job.
Believe they cover 1 year of education for every CHL season you played (or were on a teams roster). Not sure if that applies to the NCAA though, those schools are typically more expensive than Canadian ones, and as a league with 90% of its teams in Canada, they obviously push for players to attend schools there.
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Not only that, but the CHL allows players already signed to NHL contracts to play.
The CHL education package can be used at any accredited institution in the world. The last WHL list I was able to find had 18 former players using their money at American universities. I'm not sure if the mods will allow me to name specific former players, but I know one who used his CHL scholarship to attend Harvard and another who did so at Boston College.
LadyStanley
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About 30 minutes in. Discussion of possible big changes this summer of players heading to NCAA.
Facilities. Opportunity to play against "men". Players can leave and return by early January.
Friedman
About 30 minutes in. Discussion of possible big changes this summer of players heading to NCAA.
Facilities. Opportunity to play against "men". Players can leave and return by early January.
Only way for NCAA to keep up their old guise of no one should be paid for athletic performance. Landscape is now completely changed with NIL.
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For what it's worth, while much of internet discussion related to NCAA's legal justification for forbidding CHL players from playing NCAA Hockey, the direct reason that CHL players were banned is because the NCAA Bylaws called out CHL by name and said players from there are ineligible for NCAA. Obviously a challenge on the enforceability of that provision is what sparked a change, but to put it as bluntly as possible, CHL players were banned because the NCAA rules explicitly said they were banned.
But they've offered scholarships for how long?
I think it's more likely the schools wanted to keep all the money these athletes made them (much like the CHL has done by refusing to pay their players proportionate to the revenues they generate).
Just good ol' fashioned greed
ScoutyMcScoutface
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Another impact of this will be changes to scouting budgets.
Likely to see fewer scouts at CHL games if there aren't any top half of the draft kids playing in it.
Likely to see fewer scouts at CHL games if there aren't any top half of the draft kids playing in it.
I think a lot of people were in favor NIL in theory when they thought it would be players doing commercials for the local car dealership or getting paid to sign autographs, not threatening to sit out playoff games if they don't get a raise from $2 million to $4 million.
It's gotten out of hand for sure. Like you said, it was supposed to be for Name, Image, Likeness to go the things you mentioned in the first part. Not a pay for play model like it appears to be in NCAAF. Was supposed to rewards So to SR who played well at the college level with money, not HS recruits.
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Negative.
In fact the opposite. More D1 scouts will be going up North and out West to find recruits and commits.
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