Yeah go and compare Laurentian in Sudbury vs Michigan and Penn State and report back to me lol
TheBeastCoast
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Somebody hasn't watched Shoresy! Main point is talking about teenage kids picking up girls online is weird as f*** anyways.
Even against the nfl the top ncaa programs rival or surpass some of the nfl clubs these days.
Very few ahl clubs can match the top ncaaa programs. So it is a challenge to convince a kid to go pro knowing he needs time in the A. When, the off ice stuff is going to be a downgrade from the ncaa.
But some kids do need to go up a level in competition to the ahl first.
Restricting and handcuffing the families of 15/16 year players isn't going to help more in my opinion. Embrace the idea of having options and the CHL will benefit more vs the USHL (see Valentini and Croskery examples).
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Honestly, reading this thread specifically, and I can't help but feel like the elephant(s) in the room are being ignored with regards to the wider business angle of it all, mainly to participate in (frankly, pathetic looking) slapfights about the efficacy of developmental leagues, with an especially strong twinge of, as BeastCoast described, incredibly specific fantasies that are wrapped up in psychosexual desires.
1: Sure, this entire bull rush is predicated on the NCAA finally giving in and realizing that CHL players are not professionals because they gain a stipend. How much is it going to take with beat writers and people on this side of the internet to realize that the vast majority of CHL players are Canadian, and based on my (limited) knowledge of the ever shifting NIL landscape, foreign citizens (of which Canadian junior players absolutely are) cannot benefit from NIL due to the tax codes changes needed? Zach Edey at Purdue already proved this point, and people, especially Canadian beat writers, just seem to...ignore it because it happens to be 'our boys'
2: Political, yes, but considering there is a swell of Canadian players now moving southward to take advantage, how long does it take before Republican politicians in red states with their ears on the ground decide to take advantage of this for populist and isolationist gains and place a cap on the amount of foreign student athletes, Canadian or otherwise? Already seen Repubs in Texas bring motions to cap the amount of foreign students in athletic programs, specifically golf and tennis which is almost entirely made up of foreign students. What is stopping Repubs in North Dakota, Nebraska or Ohio from putting the same thing in, especially if, as shown in many other regards, the current Trump administration aren't at all stupid when it comes to advancing their view points, and will make hay out of issues if they see fit?
And maybe most of all, 3: The entirety of NIL itself. People don't want to admit this on this specific board, but when it comes to collegiate sports, the only ones that matter in the grand scheme of things are CFB and CBB. The entirety of NIL to begin with was created to appease CBB and especially CFB players that they could profit off the work they do for their universities, and the money that is gained originally went to pay for the running costs of every other sporting program. Now, CFB/CBB are expecting even more of the revenue pie, and that leaves hockey programs, alongside Olympic sports, in the lurch as they're expected to not only pay players directly, but also to find other ways to be justifiable loss leaders now that the majority of their money is going to prop up the basketball and football teams? This is not even getting into the fact that the bull rush of CHL players is predicated on potential unprecedented growth of D1 hockey, especially in the west and south, and anyone who has half hearing and sight can see that D1 hockey is nowhere near that. With every ASU or Penn State especially, there's Illinois (resisting calls for a D1 hockey program because of costs) and Tennessee State (HBCU constantly in flux with finances, even with support from a pro team more then likely calling off the hockey program) How the hell can any college sports administration, especially say the Pacific B1G teams, justify the costs?
I just really think that amidst the (again, on this board specifically, the business board and outside places already know the score in broad strokes) slap fights about what route is best for development, the reality is that this probably doesn't hold for as long as people want it to. It's only a matter of time before politics pokes a massive hole in the balloon, or more then likely, the need and desire to feed the beast of CBB and *especially* CFB puts ice hockey programs, alongside baseball, on the chopping block. And at that point, both the NHL and MLB are going to have to choose sides. Considering how much they subsidize the CHL, I have no doubt where the NHL's loyalties lie in that regard.
1: Sure, this entire bull rush is predicated on the NCAA finally giving in and realizing that CHL players are not professionals because they gain a stipend. How much is it going to take with beat writers and people on this side of the internet to realize that the vast majority of CHL players are Canadian, and based on my (limited) knowledge of the ever shifting NIL landscape, foreign citizens (of which Canadian junior players absolutely are) cannot benefit from NIL due to the tax codes changes needed? Zach Edey at Purdue already proved this point, and people, especially Canadian beat writers, just seem to...ignore it because it happens to be 'our boys'
2: Political, yes, but considering there is a swell of Canadian players now moving southward to take advantage, how long does it take before Republican politicians in red states with their ears on the ground decide to take advantage of this for populist and isolationist gains and place a cap on the amount of foreign student athletes, Canadian or otherwise? Already seen Repubs in Texas bring motions to cap the amount of foreign students in athletic programs, specifically golf and tennis which is almost entirely made up of foreign students. What is stopping Repubs in North Dakota, Nebraska or Ohio from putting the same thing in, especially if, as shown in many other regards, the current Trump administration aren't at all stupid when it comes to advancing their view points, and will make hay out of issues if they see fit?
And maybe most of all, 3: The entirety of NIL itself. People don't want to admit this on this specific board, but when it comes to collegiate sports, the only ones that matter in the grand scheme of things are CFB and CBB. The entirety of NIL to begin with was created to appease CBB and especially CFB players that they could profit off the work they do for their universities, and the money that is gained originally went to pay for the running costs of every other sporting program. Now, CFB/CBB are expecting even more of the revenue pie, and that leaves hockey programs, alongside Olympic sports, in the lurch as they're expected to not only pay players directly, but also to find other ways to be justifiable loss leaders now that the majority of their money is going to prop up the basketball and football teams? This is not even getting into the fact that the bull rush of CHL players is predicated on potential unprecedented growth of D1 hockey, especially in the west and south, and anyone who has half hearing and sight can see that D1 hockey is nowhere near that. With every ASU or Penn State especially, there's Illinois (resisting calls for a D1 hockey program because of costs) and Tennessee State (HBCU constantly in flux with finances, even with support from a pro team more then likely calling off the hockey program) How the hell can any college sports administration, especially say the Pacific B1G teams, justify the costs?
I just really think that amidst the (again, on this board specifically, the business board and outside places already know the score in broad strokes) slap fights about what route is best for development, the reality is that this probably doesn't hold for as long as people want it to. It's only a matter of time before politics pokes a massive hole in the balloon, or more then likely, the need and desire to feed the beast of CBB and *especially* CFB puts ice hockey programs, alongside baseball, on the chopping block. And at that point, both the NHL and MLB are going to have to choose sides. Considering how much they subsidize the CHL, I have no doubt where the NHL's loyalties lie in that regard.
Think all three of these have been pretty well explored in this thread but to provided quick responses:
1) While this was true in the early days of NIL when no one knew what they were doing and is still nominally true today, you can still find ways to be paid as an international student and guys like Edey missed out on a ton of money because their schools/agents/selves were not smart/creative enough to find the right loopholes. With the new settlement who knows what regulations will actually come out of it (which leads into 2), but as of right now there are ways for foreign athletes to make significant NIL money.
2) I mean this could happen but NCAA hockey is pretty far down the list of sports to the point that I'd doubt it becomes a leading culture war fight for someone to pick up. If it does then it's probably back to the status quo for hockey
3) The vast majority of this board is very well aware of the fact that the NIL sums going to hockey are minuscule compared to football and basketball. That doesn't mean that the money isn't completely there or doesn't make a difference when trying to recruit someone, especially the McKenna's of the world. As for expansion/contraction of D1 hockey -- the current rush of CHL players to D1 absolutely does not rely on further expansion. Either these guys will be better than the NAHL/Prep School guys who's spots they are taking and we'll continue to see a large portion of commits from the CHL, or they won't and coaches will find a bit more of a balance and go back to the status quo. You are correct that more D1 hockey programs are absolutely not going to pop up because of this and in fact some may be on the chopping block as extremely high cost to revenue sports. Once again, lots of discussion on the thread about this.
Most kids who turn 18 by this Sept 15, 2025 so born in 2007 would have played 2 years in the CHL. Those born in 2006 (after Sept 15), for sure have 2 and maybe even 3 years. End of the day, you don't want to restrict kids options.
Cause, options is the thing that the CHL doesn't offer the kids. NCAA, kids can choose. CHL, kids get drafted and in the WHL, could end up 2-3 provinces away from where they grew up.
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Why are you north americans so obsessed with calling People aged 16-20 Kids. Most of these commited players are 18 or older so they are adults by law.
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Not only that but those "kids" are still like the top 5% of players world wide.
But overall its just purposely loaded language that keyboard warriors hide behind. "Kids" is meant to evoke images of tim bits kids (like 6 and 7 year olds) tripping over their skates at intermission. That's what those people are comparing highly trained athletes to when they use verbiage like "kids" or "children". It's ignorant at best, and disingenuous at worst. Actually someone is going to take the pedantic route in reply so that one is pretty bad too.
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... What? Why so serious?
I believe Rylan Gould is now heading to Michigan Tech in the fall and will not be playing his 20 year old season with the Everett Silvertips.
Spence did an interview on puckpreps on why he’s going to Michigan and he said it’s basically a “ no brainer “ for the facilities and most important he wants to play against older, lot better competition than in the OHL !
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Wouldn’t be back anyways 05 and over 150pts in last 2 years
Instead of AHL he goes to school.
frontsfan67
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Getting rid of his head coach who he was very close with and being a late birthday 06 helps too
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Interesting. Wonder if Everett is left holding the bag, considering they paid a 1st for him a month ago
Penn State will be interesting because they usually recruit a bunch of kids locally and they also brought in Head coach kid from Army . They are looking as a team that “ overcommits “ and if your second -third tier local kid you might want look somewhere else because it looks like verbal commit is not that good . Now , i can’t wait to watch Michigan and Penn State blow up and I still think Michigan head coach will be fired but Penn State just had one of their best season and now throwing around lot of money, if they don’t have great season head coach will be in the spot light . They got the big money - big recruits from CHL the pressure is on !
Hockeyville USA
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The whole dynamic of NCAA Hockey is changing so we will see how it plays out in terms of elite tier guys versus winning National Championships
I’m on the Michigan Tech side of that so I don’t know unfortunately. Really tough for Everett though considering the timeline for Gould. Committed in January and originally said he’d be playing his overage year. Our staff spent the next 3 months trying to get him in this fall but he decided to stay. Was then traded once he made a “final” decision but we made a coaching change and the new staff convinced him to come now
Interesting to hear it from the school's side. I wonder what it was that made him change his mind?
You being Michigan Tech have a commitment from Carson Birnie. Is he a guy going next year or is he staying for an OA season?
I believe Gould is good friends with Isaac Gordon who was recently flipped back after originally entering the portal and committing to North Dakota so that might be part of it. New coach has also said he’ll be nailed on to play center in our top 6 (though I’m not sure what the previous staff was telling him about opportunity for next year).
Before the coaching change I’d have said it was a guarantee that Birnie would be on campus this fall. Now it’s a bit murkier with Gordon back and Gould coming in early. Don’t think we’re quite done with adding major junior players yet either so that may play a role.
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giving up that much you'd think Kvasnicka will be going to Penticton instead of Minnesota next year. Imagine only one year and Penticton has made a lot of dumb short sighted moves
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