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WarriorofTime said:
Anyone that moves up a level and struggles just isn't very good. Players are busts all the time. High OHL draft picks struggle to get their footing as young junior players and fizzle out, talented amateurs get to AHL and never do anything. It doesn't mean they screwed up moving a level, just means they went to the next challenge and weren't good enough.
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Yeah this will interestingly likely also raise the bar for the NCAA while simultaneously lowering the bar for the CHL leagues. Though a lot more kids that might not have gotten a shot to play in the CHL will be getting that shot now.
 
jtechkid68 said:
Is that the Dickinson who was flat out awful at the world juniors playing at college guys lol Oh yea it was the coach lol
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A tiny, short sample size? Yeah, that’s what it was. Means literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. The same Dickinson who more than likely will be playing in the NHL as a 19 year old. I swear some of you college hockey cultists think it’s a higher level of hockey than the NHL is…
 
WarriorofTime said:
Anyone that moves up a level and struggles just isn't very good. Players are busts all the time. High OHL draft picks struggle to get their footing as young junior players and fizzle out, talented amateurs get to AHL and never do anything. It doesn't mean they screwed up moving a level, just means they went to the next challenge and weren't good enough.
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Though your words sound cold, they are accurate.

We are living in a world where the default position seems to be some version of “they screwed up his development” or “he didn’t get the right development opportunity.”

More often than not, the player, as you say, just isn’t that good, and the old saying “you’re only as good as your competition” is shown to be true.
 
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StreetHawk said:
If we are talking the likes of those from the 2024 draft class like Lindstrom and anyone who is a first rounder in 2025, most are going to be there for just a FR and/or SO year. Probably not doing a full course load. Their intention is to get the training/coaching/ice time/competition, etc. to get better. The ones who were mid round draft picks, they are there more to get their education and play.

It's a different setup and style than what they are used to. But, plenty of kids have played Tier II and gone off to NCAA.
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my point most of good CHL players
Leviathan899 said:
A tiny, short sample size? Yeah, that’s what it was. Means literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. The same Dickinson who more than likely will be playing in the NHL as a 19 year old. I swear some of you college hockey cultists think it’s a higher level of hockey than the NHL is…
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I just watched and was shocked how bad he was but after watching ohl london knights loaded pickup team i go it makes sense lol - His season in london really hurt his development - can’t play like that in normal hockey that’s why he was so bad . In the future or as you are seeing now he would have been in college in his draft plus 1 year instead playing against boys in pickup up hockey . Hearing Hockey Canada is so thrilled their kids going to college and play real structure in which with their talent they should easily win world juniors .
 
Daximus said:
Yeah this will interestingly likely also raise the bar for the NCAA while simultaneously lowering the bar for the CHL leagues. Though a lot more kids that might not have gotten a shot to play in the CHL will be getting that shot now.
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Winners are the NCAA programs who can now get top CHL talent post draft.

A drop from before is the CHL which loses highly drafted players in exchange for pre draft kids from lower levels like Tier II and USHL.

Those who lose out most:

USHL/Tier II, plus the NCAA kids whose spots now will go to CHLers.

But, will see in 2-3 years how this all shakes down. What are the big programs like Michigan/Minnesota/BC/BU/UND, going to look like in a few years. Really heavy on talent in the top 6 F and top 4 D. How many SRs are these programs going to have or will they mostly be where the Fantillis, Connor, Hughes level players go and be done by their Fr or So year.
 
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StreetHawk said:
Winners are the NCAA programs who can now get top CHL talent post draft.

A drop from before is the CHL which loses highly drafted players in exchange for pre draft kids from lower levels like Tier II and USHL.

Those who lose out most:

USHL/Tier II, plus the NCAA kids whose spots now will go to CHLers.

But, will see in 2-3 years how this all shakes down. What are the big programs like Michigan/Minnesota/BC/BU/UND, going to look like in a few years. Really heavy on talent in the top 6 F and top 4 D. How many SRs are these programs going to have or will they mostly be where the Fantillis, Connor, Hughes level players go and be done by their Fr or So year.
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Minnesota has to get over their Minnesotan obsession and recruit elite Canadians/non Minnesotans more consistently if they wanna break their national championship drought. They're just not well set up to recruit Canadian CHLers very well following the rule change.
 
Not player movement but the Mooseheads have announced plans to expand their training facilities to put the team on the same level as US College facilities. I think you will probably see more of this from "big" market CHL teams. Will be tough for the smaller markets to pull off though.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
Not player movement but the Mooseheads have announced plans to expand their training facilities to put the team on the same level as US College facilities. I think you will probably see more of this from "big" market CHL teams. Will be tough for the smaller markets to pull off though.
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Another nice thing that Halifax has going for them is since they're a Maritimes team, they will get more Massachusetts/New England guys to go up there to play junior before moving on to the NCAA. Great junior market + English primary language metro makes the transition easier for US kids.
 
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Hockeyville USA said:
Another nice thing that Halifax has going for them is since they're a Maritimes team, they will get more Massachusetts/New England guys to go up there to play junior before moving on to the NCAA. Great junior market + English primary language metro makes the transition easier for US kids.
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The Maritimes Teams should leave the QJHML and create there own league with some New England State teams
 
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StreetHawk said:
But, will see in 2-3 years how this all shakes down. What are the big programs like Michigan/Minnesota/BC/BU/UND, going to look like in a few years. Really heavy on talent in the top 6 F and top 4 D. How many SRs are these programs going to have or will they mostly be where the Fantillis, Connor, Hughes level players go and be done by their Fr or So year.
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North Dakota's new coach (Dane Jackson) said he wants a mix of both, which is smart. Older players win championships.
 
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Hanji said:
North Dakota's new coach (Dane Jackson) said he wants a mix of both, which is smart. Older players win championships.
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That is a good point. Michigan has had star studded teams in the recent past and doesn't have a title to show for it. Niether does MSU and their recent influx of talent. Denver is the only hockey blue blood that recruits a ton of high end guys that has a title in forever (although they have 3 in the last 10 years). North Dakota in 2016 but then you're coming up on a decade out. Big names put butts in seats and make it easier to convince donors to cough up the cash but will it be the blue print to win titles going forward?
 
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Kingpin794 said:
That is a good point. Michigan has had star studded teams in the recent past and doesn't have a title to show for it. Niether does MSU and their recent influx of talent. Denver is the only hockey blue blood that recruits a ton of high end guys that has a title in forever (although they have 3 in the last 10 years). North Dakota in 2016 but then you're coming up on a decade out. Big names put butts in seats and make it easier to convince donors to cough up the cash but will it be the blue print to win titles going forward?
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All the big ten powers are long overdue. In the mix all the time, just can’t get over the hump in recent years. Kinda like in men’s basketball.
 
Kingpin794 said:
That is a good point. Michigan has had star studded teams in the recent past and doesn't have a title to show for it. Niether does MSU and their recent influx of talent. Denver is the only hockey blue blood that recruits a ton of high end guys that has a title in forever (although they have 3 in the last 10 years). North Dakota in 2016 but then you're coming up on a decade out. Big names put butts in seats and make it easier to convince donors to cough up the cash but will it be the blue print to win titles going forward?
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Generally speaking, Denver's key to success is their ability to retain high end recruits for more than 1-2 years.
 
WarriorofTime said:
All the big ten powers are long overdue. In the mix all the time, just can’t get over the hump in recent years. Kinda like in men’s basketball.
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Big ten had a weird run where they had a bunch of declining coaches(end of berenson and lucia) and programs like wiscy and msu made terrible hires. The conference is absurd now and the ncaa hockey tournament is the dumbest tournament in sports. Single elimination hockey involves a ton of dumb luck.
 
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Big ten had a weird run where they had a bunch of declining coaches(end of berenson and lucia) and programs like wiscy and msu made terrible hires. The conference is absurd now and the ncaa hockey tournament is the dumbest tournament in sports. Single elimination hockey involves a ton of dumb luck.
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Yeah good point, best of 1 has so much variance involved when you're dealing with all good teams
 
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