CHL Can Now Play NCAA - Changes Everything

[joe66]

No word on McKenna yet.

What courses will be Verhoeff be taking, he’s still 16 for a few weeks, that has him in grade 10 atm likely , if skipped a grade, then maybe grade 11 atm.

Guess he could take basket weaving, Didn’t think UND had such low admission standards for education.

He would be in grade 11 going to grade 12.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He would be in grade 11 going to grade 12.

so still hasn’t graduated , so how does he play then, or get accepted ?
I still don’t follow.

 

[goavsblue8]

McKenna is graduating on time with the class of 25' and has a late bday. Verhoeff had to accelerate his schooling over the summer, or had to cram in classes up a grade in the previous few semesters to enter school early as a U18 freshmen. Not many kids will be doing that but some will.

The elite kids will, with online schooling it’s not difficult to accelerate

 

[bigdog16]

The very top NCAA facilities, yes. But we are strictly speaking just athletic facilities. Coaching and hockey-specific training programs are better in professional environments on aggregate. While there are some NHL teams that need to improve their minor league development and coaching, there is lot of sub-par coaching and hockey-specific training (from a development perspective) in the NCAA, including at top programs.


This myth needs to stop being repeated. The vast majority of hockey players will not be getting six-figure NIL deals. Only the star prospects with clear future NHL talent will get those. Financially speaking the AHL on an ELC will still be better for most players.

Another myth is that the social attractiveness of being on a U.S. college campus is going to another motivating factor. For non-prospects, sure. For legitimate future NHL talent, there is so limited non-training/non-hockey free time, especially for draft eligible prospects will not have the luxury of spending their free evenings/weekends acting like a typical college student.

Tell me you never played college hockey without telling me you never played college hockey. Every single team parties

 

[Fatass]

Well ya... That's why I said top 5 picks would be most likely to do it in their draft year but I didn't say all of them will.

And that’s a one year in college and then done. These guys will be a rarity. The CHL will continue to attract top talent. Not all kids like school and see college as attractive. Maybe when they are older they will learn different and use the CHL college fund, but while younger they likely pursue pro career.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Verhoeff probably accelerated his course load during spring term of Grade 11 and is finish Grade 12 over the summer

 

[jtechkid68]

Why would an American chose CHL over USHL? One of the main reasons is to play with and against the top talent in the country. If all the top talent is leaving after 1-2 years that is one less reason to go there.

Obviously the NHL and USA hockey do not want the USHL to disappear. They will be providing money and more support starting next season. If the USHL catches up to the CHL with amenities and player support, and the CHL no longer retains the top guys for more than a year or two, it becomes less of a reason to go there.

This is obviously just theorycraft but the possibilities are vast and the way things play out who knows.

Sums it up perfect !

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why would an American chose CHL over USHL? One of the main reasons is to play with and against the top talent in the country. If all the top talent is leaving after 1-2 years that is one less reason to go there.

Better competition.

 

[joe66]

so still hasn’t graduated , so how does he play then, or get accepted ?
I still don’t follow.

Probably took summer school and online classes to graduate earlier than his peers. Most people are not going to do that.

 

[Fatass]

Probably took summer school and online classes to graduate earlier than his peers. Most people are not going to do that.

Yup. It’s going to be very rare that CHL players head to a us college before their 19 year old season, if they do at all. Playing in the CHL provides college funds for these kids. There’s no advantage to going to a us college, academically, for one year. The player can wait until his year 20, and then go to us college and keep his college fun from the CHL and get his free education while playing hockey in the ncaa.
It’s great these CHL players can now play us college. It’s another door open for their future. It’s a good thing.

 

[goavsblue8]

Yup. It’s going to be very rare that CHL players head to a us college before their 19 year old season, if they do at all. Playing in the CHL provides college funds for these kids. There’s no advantage to going to a us college, academically, for one year. The player can wait until his year 20, and then go to us college and keep his college fun from the CHL and get his free education while playing hockey in the ncaa.
It’s great these CHL players can now play us college. It’s another door open for their future. It’s a good thing.

The top tier guys are all getting full rides they could care less about chl schollies

 

[Fatass]

The top tier guys are all getting full rides they could care less about chl schollies

Top tier guys will move on to the national league at 19.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Alexis Cournoyer (2005, QMJHL, Cape Breton Eagles) commits to Cornell

 

[Fatass]

Alexis Cournoyer (2005, QMJHL, Cape Breton Eagles) commits to Cornell

You fo realize this player is coming 20 and aging out of his CHL eligibility, right? He’d have to be played by his club as an over age player. It’s great he had a better option than the industrial leagues.

 

[Wieters]

You fo realize this player is coming 20 and aging out of his CHL eligibility, right? He’d have to be played by his club as an over age player. It’s great he had a better option than the industrial leagues.

Okay? @Hockeyville USA has quite helpfully been sharing the CHL --> NCAA commitments for months now. Not sure why you're acting like he's adding any sort of commentary beyond the source.

 

[Fatass]

Okay? @Hockeyville USA has quite helpfully been sharing the CHL --> NCAA commitments for months now. Not sure why you're acting like he's adding any sort of commentary beyond the source.

Well, why post it then if it’s not surprising? The kid is coming into his over age CHL year. He’s either signed by an nhl team and in the minors, or playing in men’s hockey somewhere while flipping burgers. He gets an McCall school interested. Of course he signs. But it’s not a loss to the QMJHL. He wasn’t going to play there anyway. He’s shed out.

 

[Wieters]

Well, why post it then if it’s not surprising? The kid is coming into his over age CHL year. He’s either signed by an nhl team and in the minors, or playing in men’s hockey somewhere while flipping burgers. He gets an McCall school interested. Of course he signs. But it’s not a loss to the QMJHL. He wasn’t going to play there anyway. He’s shed out.

The litmus test for whether news can be shared on a message board is not whether it's surprising. It's simply a development that is being disseminated.

You're projecting some meaning that isn't there; we have been sharing CHL --> NCAA commitments for months in this thread.

 

[landy92mack29]

Well, why post it then if it’s not surprising? The kid is coming into his over age CHL year. He’s either signed by an nhl team and in the minors, or playing in men’s hockey somewhere while flipping burgers. He gets an McCall school interested. Of course he signs. But it’s not a loss to the QMJHL. He wasn’t going to play there anyway. He’s shed out.

it's a way to track how many chlers are committing and where. just like people post when a American or USHL player signs with a CHL team

 

[Fatass]

it's a way to track how many chlers are committing and where. just like people post when a American or USHL player signs with a CHL team

Except this player is no longer a CHL player. He’s aged out.
Do we track CHL players who end up in the local men’s leagues?
Sorry but it makes no sense unless the player left the CHL for the ncaa while still having CHL years left.,

 

[landy92mack29]

Except this player is no longer a CHL player. He’s aged out.
Do we track CHL players who end up in the local men’s leagues?
Sorry but it makes no sense unless the player left the CHL for the ncaa while still having CHL years left.,

well he's a 05 so can still go back for his OA year and when the news first broke it was only 04s committing really so yeah it's nice knowing where players are going. Overall I'm happy for most of the CHLers going to the NCAA I just hope they don't leave at a super young age and give their chl teams 3 years of commitment ideally. It's the player/agents choice in the end even if I don't like it some are leaving early

 

[GunnarStahl]

Except this player is no longer a CHL player. He’s aged out.
Do we track CHL players who end up in the local men’s leagues?
Sorry but it makes no sense unless the player left the CHL for the ncaa while still having CHL years left.,

Try reading the thread from the top.

 

[landy92mack29]

The thing not many are really talking about and is super hard to track is how many kids are going to be getting/have already been de-committed and dreams of D1 have been taken away from them.

 

[2Mototik2]

The thing not many are really talking about and is super hard to track is how many kids are going to be getting/have already been de-committed and dreams of D1 have been taken away from them.

I was actually just coming here to post about that because of those players on the other side of the equation.

Not that NCAA commitments are worth much more than the paper they are written on, but I wonder if there are going to be stories of players with existing commitments whose offers are being rescinded or are being told "to wait another year" because of this first wave of CHL players. Same goes for players currently in the transfer portal now.

 

[Fatass]

well he's a 05 so can still go back for his OA year and when the news first broke it was only 04s committing really so yeah it's nice knowing where players are going. Overall I'm happy for most of the CHLers going to the NCAA I just hope they don't leave at a super young age and give their chl teams 3 years of commitment ideally. It's the player/agents choice in the end even if I don't like it some are leaving early

I agree it’s great that ex CHL players can go to ncaa schools now. But is he using his CHL college fund to go there? Is he on a full scholarship?
Imo this isn’t anything special beyond an example of CHL graduating players having more opportunities.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I was actually just coming here to post about that because of those players on the other side of the equation.

Not that NCAA commitments are worth much more than the paper they are written on, but I wonder if there are going to be stories of players with existing commitments whose offers are being rescinded or are being told "to wait another year" because of this first wave of CHL players. Same goes for players currently in the transfer portal now.

It is 100% happening. In the long term, players will filter down to more programs. In the short term though? With such a wild influx of players all at one time and no increase in spots available? There are without a doubt a lot of players losing their spots next year.