CHL Can Now Play NCAA - Changes Everything

[Blue and Green]

The talk of parallel paths prior to ncaa as we hit a point upcoming five years when the junior age Canadian and American players will soon be close to equal. Of course Canadians should likely opt for their own domestic pathway.

I don't understand what that means... and it doesn't seem to address the point that I made. You've been claiming that the level of CHL is going to weaken significantly and I don't see any basis for that argument. The days of CHL holding almost all of its players for four years, those are over... but so are the days of CHL not being able to access a load of D1-bound talent.

You're left to explain why the CHL brass, whom I have to believe are more informed on this issue than any of us are, were at the least not worried about this change and actually seemed to think that it would be a net positive for their leagues. Perhaps it won't be a positive but it's hard to see how it's going to be a significant net negative. The handwringing was coming from the brass of other junior leagues.

 

[Blue and Green]

Possibly but I think that those better 17 and 18 year olds may squeeze some of the older players, who haven't moved on to the pros or college, out.

I think it's more likely to affect other young guys, so that some 16YO's of a calibre that has been good enough in the past to make the CHL, will now spend that year in midget again or in a second-tier junior league.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't understand what that means... and it doesn't seem to address the point that I made. You've been claiming that the level of CHL is going to weaken significantly

I've said I expect a good bit of players that would have been playing CHL post draft will go to NCAA, that looks very apparent.

and I don't see any basis for that argument.

Happy to address any questions.

The days of CHL holding almost all of its players for four years, those are over...

Yup, bingo. I think that's biggest key as far as "overall play"

but so are the days of CHL not being able to access a load of D1-bound talent.

Agree

You're left to explain why the CHL brass, whom I have to believe are more informed on this issue than any of us are, were at the least not worried about this change

Again, we'll see. Many of them may have felt like they'd get best of both, where they get everyone they want as 16 year olds, and only the pro hockey rejects move onto NCAA at the end. Many in here were predicting that very thing.

and actually seemed to think that it would be a net positive for their leagues.

I would say if you see a bigger exodus of very good 18/19 year olds, which can have a snowball effect, that's ultimately not going to be a net positive from a level of play standpoint. I don't think that would be a controversial position.

Perhaps it won't be a positive but it's hard to see how it's going to be a significant net negative.

Significant net negative is a brash statement, it'll just lead to a different environment that perhaps everyone has not thought through

The handwringing was coming from the brass of other junior leagues.

Sure it's a bummer for the BCHL which staked its claim to fame on being the Canadian pathway to D1 hockey. USHL can take a bit of a hit as far as elite end tenders, but likely be OK because it's not a breakaway Hockey Canada League like BCHL, as the tenders were never really the major claim to fame and the tippy top of the USA Hockey pyramid always (last 20 years) flowed through NTDP anyways.

 

[MTU34]

Holy f***ing shit they got Verhoeff too

Seravalli says Verhoeff will be in Grand Forks this fall

 

[Empoleon8771]

Huge additions for UND, Verhoeff is going to be a monster in the NHL.

Reschny leaving the WHL to play in the NCAA makes me more interested in taking him personally. Between having more years in NCAA than the WHL plus the NCAA being a better developmental league, I think Reschny's stock will go up a bit from the move.

 

[Corso]

Nobody is denying you probably see a greater number of Americans in CHL but people also forget ten years ago you had a bunch of Americans in CHL and even now still have a decent chunk. It’ll likely just look more similar to ten years ago. When you have like 250 Minnesota kids playing ncaa hockey, indeed will see how many previously will have played WHL. Posting any time one signs and saying “see look I was right, all these kids just want to be whl players” is certainly a lot of premature gloating about an uncertain future.

Again, let's look at the numbers in the fall and next season.....

Cole Reschny (2007, WHL, Victoria Royals, projected mid to late 1st rounder for the 2025 Draft) commits to North Dakota!

Looks like UND has gotten their MoJo back....

 

[Boonk]

Holy f***ing shit they got Verhoeff too

Seravalli says Verhoeff will be in Grand Forks this fall

Damn, UND really read all those people talking shit about them falling behind the other "blue blood" recruitment efforts and put a stop to that non-sense right quick. Real good set of game-changing talents for their program.

 

[macbowes]

Just cancelled my Victoria Royals season tickets. Brutal loss for the Royals.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Holy f***ing shit they got Verhoeff too

Seravalli says Verhoeff will be in Grand Forks this fall

Victoria was in good position to make a run for the WHL championship next year.

Not so much now.

 

[MTU34]

Damn, UND really read all those people talking shit about them falling behind the other "blue blood" recruitment efforts and put a stop to that non-sense right quick. Real good set of game-changing talents for their program.

Really not a fan of Bryn Chyzk because he poached from my alma mater in the portal but he’s been a godsend for that program. They were a bit stagnant in recruiting under Berry and this is the type of jolt they needed

 

[Blue and Green]

Holy f***ing shit they got Verhoeff too

Seravalli says Verhoeff will be in Grand Forks this fall

Verhoeff is a true 17YO, too; must be another accelerated-schooling guy like Celebrini.

I guess he and Reschny didn't make enough friends in Victoria.

 

[Fyodorov]

Not surprising. I think going forward we will see a lot of the really high-level guys early enroll and leave the CHL as quickly as possible.

 

[MTU34]

Verhoeff is a true 17YO, too; must be another accelerated-schooling guy like Celebrini.

I guess he and Reschny didn't make enough friends in Victoria.

Yep he’ll be accelerating. Wonder how much of that we end up seeing. Obviously McKenna will have to (though he’s an 07). Ryan Roobroeck’s name has been mentioned too

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Not surprising. I think going forward we will see a lot of the really high-level guys early enroll and leave the CHL as quickly as possible.

CHL needs to reinvent itself

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

CHL needs to reinvent itself

No choice now, if you’re them.

 

[Blue and Green]

Yep he’ll be accelerating. Wonder how much of that we end up seeing. Obviously McKenna will have to (though he’s an 07). Ryan Roobroeck’s name has been mentioned too

McKenna is in his 18YO calendar year, which is different from Verhoeff. And as I understand it, McKenna has completed his high school requirements. It's always seemed improbable to me that he would stay in CHL for next season.

 

[AyeBah]

Only the beginning.

 

[4thline]

Yep he’ll be accelerating. Wonder how much of that we end up seeing. Obviously McKenna will have to (though he’s an 07). Ryan Roobroeck’s name has been mentioned too

Canadians follow a calendar year for school, the 07's will be poised to graduate in the coming weeks.

What's really interesting about Verhoeff is being in a position to accelerate when this opportunity only came on the radar half way through his grade 11 year.

 

[macbowes]

CHL will not be a viable product in very short order, if this becomes the status quo. I could see junior hockey in Canada completely collapsing in a couple years. How unfortunate. At least some American college fans will get to enjoy our last generation of Canadian talent, before the pipeline is dry.

 

[MTU34]

McKenna is in his 18YO calendar year, which is different from Verhoeff. And as I understand it, McKenna has completed his high school requirements. It's always seemed improbable to me that he would stay in CHL for next season.

Canadians follow a calendar year for school, the 07's will be poised to graduate in the coming weeks.

What's really interesting about Verhoeff is being in a position to accelerate when this opportunity only came on the radar half way through his grade 11 year.

Did not know Canada does school based on birth year. Here in the states McKenna wouldn’t graduate until next spring (without accelerating)

 

[Blue and Green]

Canadians follow a calendar year for school, the 07's will be poised to graduate in the coming weeks.

What's really interesting about Verhoeff is being in a position to accelerate when this opportunity only came on the radar half way through his grade 11 year.

Maybe he's a really smart kid who got skipped ahead one grade early in his school days. I don't know him or his situation, but every once in a while there will be someone like that.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Again, let's look at the numbers in the fall and next season.....

To be clear, you only started insulting me when I called out your claims that more or less no good player was going to play NCAA again (because even if presently interested, they'd make friends, want to sign their ELC, etc.), and when I asked how many players on the USA U20 team that will consist of 2009/2010 borns (four years from now) that would be ACTIVE CHL players compared to ACTIVE NCAA players, for purposes of your preliminary "I'll show you!" comments, you never responded.

 

[wickedwitch]

This is the obvious route. It's why so many players chose the CHL for years: it was the best league for their development. Now it's not. It's very simple.

I expect CHL/NTDP -> NCAA -> (AHL) -> NHL will now be the standard route for top NA players.

 

[Bonin21]

NCAA absolutely owned the CHL with this change. Already losing 2008 top prospects

 

[Boonk]

NCAA absolutely owned the CHL with this change. Already losing 2008 top prospects

The NCAA didnt own anyone. Their stupid ass ban of 40+ yrs was the only thing that got owned.