Solid pickup for C.C. Enough 05s have now committed for next year that I believe we can definitely lay to rest the debate as to whether or not CHL players will play through their O/A season before committing to college.
Solid pickup for C.C. Enough 05s have now committed for next year that I believe we can definitely lay to rest the debate as to whether or not CHL players will play through their O/A season before committing to college.
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Some will go back for their overage season at the request of the NCAA team, since they want them to develop for another year and/or don't have spots to bring them in for their 19 or 20 year old seasons, but yes, many will leave the CHL while still having junior eligibility.
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I don't think there was ever much debate on this point. Especially as there are only three overagers permitted per CHL team. Debate has been more on how many CHLers will leave before they finish their non-overage eligibility.
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Yeah, kids not good enough for college yet will play Age 20 in Junior. A lot of kids will leave at 19. Kids that are very good/ready will leave at 18. Once in a blue moon you'll see a 17 year old draft year (accelerating school is a logistic factor there).
also Mass really care too , but that’s basically The whole USA youth hockey community lol . I meant more like USA parents want their kids to get college education over the CHL route .
There were some who openly wondered how strong the CHL standard agreements were but yes, most of us were in agreement that those contracts would not preclude players, especially those that played three years already from skipping their O/A year and playing in the NCAA.
Yes, one of the few questions/debates remaining is how many CHLers will opt for the NCAA before their non-overage eligibility.
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I said parts of New England. New England includes Massachusetts. And now you can do both, so a kid from Winchester Massachusetts can play a year of public HS hockey, then two or 3 years of prep school, then a year or two in the Q for the Halifax Mooseheads, and then play at whatever Hockey East/ECAC program in the NCAA
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Was mostly Corso saying players goal was to sign an ELC as quickly as possible and wouldn't leave their junior team because they made friends.
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And if education is important to a kid, that CHL scholarship looks pretty good, especially if he can play four years in a CHL league. If it turns out that he's not good enough to get a full ride from D1, or he suffers a career-ending injury, at least he's got something to help pay for his education that he wouldn't get by playing in high school or in any other junior league. And there's some flexibility to it-- you wanna go to trade school instead of university? Go ahead. You wanna try minor pro leagues for awhile and then double back to get your education? You've got 30 months (18 months for overagers) to give it a whirl. The idea that CHL = death to your education is 20 years outdated.
CHLers with remaining eligibility will be in a better position to make some security demands from NCAA schools compared to kids from other leagues.
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Yeah it's good for the Donut kids especially that can't make the USNTDP but don't necessarily want to be playing Prep/HS in like their NHL Draft year, while still wanting to retain NCAA eligibility.
Generally good overall for anyone firmly in or on the fringes of an NHL Draft Pick. Bad if on the fringes of Major Junior/NCAA D1, but those guys will just play somewhere else until inevitably becoming Men's League Players like everyone else.
Pretty well much. It is primarily the education package, along with additional amenities, that will increasingly make the CHL more appealing to U.S.-born players, at the expense of domestic leagues. We have already observed this trend in the OHL draft and the recent signings of American players in both the Dub and the O. I fully expect more Americans will continue to sign, even in the QMJHL, a league they have largely avoided in the past.
There's always been attrition of 19-turning-20 year olds who decide to get their schooling underway (or are just done with junior hockey) instead of returning for their overage year or dropping down to Jr. A, but now there's another, more attractive than USports or Jr. A, avenue for those players if they like what an NCAA team is telling them.
I think the player's and his CHL team's situation are going to be big factors as well. We may see players leave teams that are going to be bad but be more willing to stay if the team is going to be good.
That's why it's important to remember that most of these older CHL players aren't moving to the NCAA as NHL prospects if they haven't already been drafted. I would wager that if the NCAA wasn't an option, most would be back for an OA year.
I think the player's and his CHL team's situation are going to be big factors as well. We may see players leave teams that are going to be bad but be more willing to stay if the team is going to be good.
That's why it's important to remember that most of these older CHL players aren't moving to the NCAA as NHL prospects if they haven't already been drafted. I would wager that if the NCAA wasn't an option, most would be back for an OA year.
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Lol what? I’m talking about about with the most recent CHL-NCAA rule change and the latest 09 group.
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Big playoff run thought maybe Tampa would sign him for AHL. After how good he was in playoffs for us didn’t think he would be back. Think with him going NCAA now he gets an extra couple years for Tampa to hold onto the rights? Could be wrong
Wheeler over at the Athletic said NCAA hockey is a lot harder to score and play than CHL and it’s not even close . Which I would assume going forward pre - post draft stud CHL players will be all trying to go NCAA route .
CHL does not pay for all colleges, for all of college, or for all players.
Canadian kids generally get around $10k for each year they play and US kids around $15k. Can be a little higher if only available options available to student-athlete.
If they complete CHL eligibility as member of team, they get access to these scholarship funds. They then have one-time chance to activate their scholarship account within 18 months. On 19th month, they lose it. The account then pays for 1/4 of balance for next four years directly to school. If a student misses a semester or year, it stops paying. If student ends up on 5-year plan, it still only pays 4 years.
Less than half of CHL players ever get access to their funds.
The average cost of tuition in Canada is $7-8k.
In the USA, it is twice that for public universities and 4x that for private. Some can be as high as $90-100k per year.
So for kids that are getting 4-year full ride scholarships, it still is not really appealing compared to the alternative. If it is more comparable to smaller, limited, academic scholarships at Division III schools.
When was last time a player was offered NTDP spot and turned it down for CHL?
Wyatt Schingoethe?
Its very rare. Even for dual nationals.
Wow - great post ! You read some of these post and you think USA kids are falling over to play CHL and get 10 k to go to a low end Canada state school lol . Don’t forget majority of USA Hockey people are wealthy so appeal of getting 10 k to go Canada state school over even say Top High end Div 3 academic schools doesn’t look appealing lol .
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You are right. And he has been blackballed by USA Hockey ever since.
It is tough to say, because there have been players who have made their intentions regarding the route they are taking prior to NTDP invites/CHL drafts.
For instance this year do Jackman, Kaczynski get NTDP invites if it wasn't known they were headed to the OHL? Nobody will ever know
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For starters, I never said that it was equivalent to a full-ride NCAA scholarship. But it's a lot better than nothing.
The 18-month limit is for overagers. If you finish as an non-overager you have 30 months before you have to activate it.
The scholarship can be for as much as five years. If you play five years and finish a degree in four years, the fifth year could be used toward the first year of a masters.
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You also have to play through your age 19 season to be eligible for the CHL education discount. If you leave before your age 19 season it’s forfeited.
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