CHL Can Now Play NCAA - Changes Everything

[terrierguy11]

As for the niche word of college hockey, it hasn't really been a problem (yet and I'm very very skeptical of the claim that Penn is offering Martone north of 200K).

The only way someone is offering anybody more than 6 figures is mega-wealthy alumni who are doing so out of a passion for the team/sport.

In Penn St's case I think it is possible due to Terry Pegula, but I agree that some of these numbers are fabricated. I really think the money/NIL part is being overblown by a lot.

NIL is nice, but for a lot of hockey players they are already rich and their ELCs will be 3-5x what they will make per year in college. Going to the place that will let you get there quicker (and also gives you more leverage to burn a year) is a good decision.

 

[Corso]

The only way someone is offering anybody more than 6 figures is mega-wealthy alumni who are doing so out of a passion for the team/sport.

In Penn St's case I think it is possible due to Terry Pegula, but I agree that some of these numbers are fabricated. I really think the money/NIL part is being overblown by a lot.

NIL is nice, but for a lot of hockey players they are already rich and their ELCs will be 3-5x what they will make per year in college. Going to the place that will let you get there quicker (and also gives you more leverage to burn a year) is a good decision.

Yeah, I've been saying as much about NIL since this thread started.......On a plus for B.U. fans, however, I do have it on very good authority that a potential top 10 for 25 CHL player did visit the school last month and was "excited" about the “possibilities”. As with these things though, the NHL draft, his agent and team will determine just how excited he really was.

 

[jtechkid68]

It looks like 2 ntdp went first 2 in ushl draft and the rest went late so they( late picks ) look like flight risk to the CHL - Phillips - stuart and I think O ‘ neil .

 

[Favin]

I think many are overthinking the NIL piece. Most guys aren't getting anywhere close the numbers that are being thrown around...maybe top guys get to six figures if they play 3-4 years.

Transfer portal is far more a game-changer for NCAA side.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

I still think there will be law coming up soon limiting NIL and/or scholarship money to non USA kids .

Not a chance anything nationally gets done by this congress and any state to do it in isolation would be foolish

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

NIL deals for foreign students on F-1 visas are already limited in scope. The collective must establish a foreign entity in the country of origin to facilitate payments (which is not an easy task, by the way), or the player can only earn passive income from licensing deals (from foreign sources, of course) or marketing events. These foreign players are typically well-known in their home countries and can secure lucrative deals.

Get rid of scholarships for international students....only if USA Hockey and Glenn Hefferan have their way. A snowball has a better chance on the surface of the sun than that happening.

You are woefully overestimating the ease to setup payment structures to foreigners for NIL.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

It was reported Trump looking for fairness - executive order regarding these NIL deals so let’s see what happens . When word gets out that 60% of rosters in college hockey( maybe future ) is non USA kids gets NIl/ and scholarship money will be interesting too see any backlash from it . I’ve talked to lot of people before the rule change that wanted import rule for college hockey so it’s out there .

Talk to more people, besides far right isolationists, winning is far more important than the national makeup of a roster.

 

[jtechkid68]

Talk to more people, besides far right isolationists, winning is far more important than the national makeup of a roster.

Lets not forget Canada football league has import rules on the league . BCHL and USHL have import rules and so does i Believe every pro league in Europe . If non USA kids get to certain % of the roster I think you will see import rule . It’s moving their fast but you will know in probably 3-5 years how it shakes out .

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Lets not forget Canada football league has import rules on the league . BCHL and USHL have import rules and so does i Believe every pro league in Europe . If non USA kids get to certain % of the roster I think you will see import rule . It’s moving their fast but you will know in probably 3-5 years how it shakes out .

Hopefully not, we want the best players in NCAA hockey, not some wacko quasi nationalistic policies

 

[goavsblue8]

Hopefully not, we want the best players in NCAA hockey, not some wacko quasi nationalistic policies

Yeah that's not how the us operates

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Yeah that's not how the us operates

I personally think that since the box has already been opened, turning back and trying to create some sort of "import rule" now would result in more legal issues for the NCAA. So it's not going to happen. What will happen is NCAA Hockey becoming plurality/majority Canadian

 

[WarriorofTime]

NCAA Tennis is already majority non-American

 

[Corso]

sLets not forget Canada football league has import rules on the league . BCHL and USHL have import rules and so does i Believe every pro league in Europe . If non USA kids get to certain % of the roster I think you will see import rule . It’s moving their fast but you will know in probably 3-5 years how it shakes out .

The entire college hockey leadership would strongly oppose any form of import restrictions. This (protectionist) perspective stems from USA Hockey, which was blindsided by the NCAA's decision to amend the CHL eligibility (and pro) rules and whose own leadership remains anchored in a 1980s mentality that prioritizes the protection of the U.S. development system, often at the expense of others. Fortunately, U.S. college hockey has consistently been progressive and open-minded, and it will fight tooth and nail over any attempts to limit the participation of foreign-born players.

 

[Corso]

As some talk about placing restrictions on foreign born athletes (Canadians), the CHL is opening up more spots to European players. I don't believe they would have done this were it not for the NCAA rule change. The CHL knows that their O/A pool will be greatly diminished and adding an extra import will help alleviate the drain of O/A talent. Yet another example of the impact this change is having in amateur hockey.

 

[Kingpin794]

Robin Kuzma, a kid who got games with the NTDP and Green Bay, signs with Kingston.

 

[Corso]

I am not sure if this is the right thread for this but some individuals here believe that the current, almost lawless governance by the NCAA will continue unabated, with ever-increasing payments to athletes and no negative consequences whatsoever for the overall health of various sports within collegiate athletics. It won't! I've said this in other threads: the current "business" model cannot hold, it is unsustainable. The fundraising efforts by collectives to pay athletes for play (and that is essentially what NIL has become) are crowding out funding for all the other essential aspects that define collegiate sports.



Movement is afoot to grant the NCAA the antitrust exemption it seeks so desperately.

 

[jtechkid68]

As some talk about placing restrictions on foreign born athletes (Canadians), the CHL is opening up more spots to European players. I don't believe they would have done this were it not for the NCAA rule change. The CHL knows that their O/A pool will be greatly diminished and adding an extra import will help alleviate the drain of O/A talent. Yet another example of the impact this change is having in amateur hockey.

The entire college hockey leadership would strongly oppose any form of import restrictions. This (protectionist) perspective stems from USA Hockey, which was blindsided by the NCAA's decision to amend the CHL eligibility (and pro) rules and whose own leadership remains anchored in a 1980s mentality that prioritizes the protection of the U.S. development system, often at the expense of others. Fortunately, U.S. college hockey has consistently been progressive and open-minded, and it will fight tooth and nail over any attempts to limit the participation of foreign-born players.

I heard about 50% of college hockey coach’s opposed letting CHL players play in NCAA when it was brought up last couple years at their annual meeting . I think it’s great news but will be extremely bumpy next 3 years as everybody figures which is good path . Just giving opposite side for USA kids - who’s dream is to play college hockey but say 55% of all players are non USA players . In which , lot of non USA players are their just1-2 years not because they love the concept of college hockey but just a gap to pro hockey .

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I heard about 50% of college hockey coach’s opposed letting CHL players play in NCAA when it was brought up last couple years at their annual meeting . I think it’s great news but will be extremely bumpy next 3 years as everybody figures which is good path . Just giving opposite side for USA kids - who’s dream is to play college hockey but say 55% of all players are non USA players . In which , lot of non USA players are their just1-2 years not because they love the concept of college hockey but just a gap to pro hockey .

A lot of US kids don't give a crap about NCAA Hockey, they don't grow up watching it and mostly grow up watching the NHL if they watch hockey. Only those in Minnesota & then parts of New England, Michigan, New York, North Dakota, Wisconsin maybe a couple other states watch NCAA hockey en masse.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

A lot of US kids don't give a crap about NCAA Hockey, they don't grow up watching it and mostly grow up watching the NHL if they watch hockey. Only those in Minnesota & then parts of New England, Michigan, New York, North Dakota, Wisconsin maybe a couple other states watch NCAA hockey en masse.

Agreed. Most everyone else didn't have the Money/Technology to get the feed.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

I am not sure if this is the right thread for this but some individuals here believe that the current, almost lawless governance by the NCAA will continue unabated, with ever-increasing payments to athletes and no negative consequences whatsoever for the overall health of various sports within collegiate athletics. It won't! I've said this in other threads: the current "business" model cannot hold, it is unsustainable. The fundraising efforts by collectives to pay athletes for play (and that is essentially what NIL has become) are crowding out funding for all the other essential aspects that define collegiate sports.



Movement is afoot to grant the NCAA the antitrust exemption it seeks so desperately.

NCAA wants absolutely nothing to do with anti-trust issues in courts.

What do you mean by unsustainable? For college hockey I can assure you the current levels of money into the system are the lowest it’ll be going forward.