i think last 5-8 years college and USA stopped caring about education , travel , expense in relation to kids hockey . I think from last year minny had more div 1 recruits , more nhl players than every state combined . I really feel bad for NE prep who has been best place for COMPLETE development of kids . No worries Canada numbers are falling faster than usa numbers in youth participation because of money and USA dramatically richer country .
CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !
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Yeh, there is not a great solution... but there are definitely better ways than how it is right now. The Ad Hoc scheduling of 90% of the top teams means that travel is madness and extremely costly.
Take for example the New Jersey Rockets schedule. Pretty representative of a top programme and they are ideally located in terms of travel. They spent the first two months of the season traipsing up to MA, RI and NH... then spent half of January away in Minnesota and Detroit!
And ofc having to play 5 games in 3 days at times to make trips to upstate New York and elsewhere worthwhile.
Now lets say for example (in the easiest 2 areas nationwide) you have:
New Jersey Rockets
Long Island Gulls
North Jersey Avalanche
Mid-Fairfield Jr Rangers
Yale Jr Bulldogs
Jersey Hitmen
Philadelphia Jr Flyers
Black Bear Academy
PAL Jr Islanders
South Kent
Seacoast Performance Academy
Mount St. Charles
Boston Jr Eagles
Neponset Valley River Rats
East Coast Militia
Cape Cod Whalers
Lovell Academy
Boston Hockey Academy
Now, these teams if played in "division" to start season would have a pretty similar schedule quality wise, while having a lot less travel and expenses, as well as consistency to schedule. Ofc a lot of politics at play, and still not perfect, and it is arbitrary towards the bottom which teams it would be...
but would be better than what is happening now.
Combine that with some version of the HPHL in Detroit-Chicago area?
And then have the Ohio, West Penn and Upstate NY teams play each other?
Might save money, time, create consistency and improve product.
BUT ofc will never happen.
Best can hope for is expansion of NEPACK and maybe a new HPHL.
Vancouver Giants captain Mazden Leslie won't be back next year, opts for NCAA team instead
Mazden Leslie wants to play pro, but if not he'll go to Bowling Green instead of coming back to the Giants as a 20-year-old
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The pro angle is still very much in play. This is what teams will have to get use to now. Commitments will be contingent on pro opportunities.
WarriorofTime
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Much bigger story than a kid that might get passed over three times going pro or college is that it very much lays out that leaving before fulfilling all your junior years is on the table and it’s a wait and see.Vancouver Giants captain Mazden Leslie won't be back next year, opts for NCAA team instead
Mazden Leslie wants to play pro, but if not he'll go to Bowling Green instead of coming back to the Giants as a 20-year-old
The pro angle is still very much in play. This is what teams will have to get use to now. Commitments will be contingent on pro opportunities.
“The Giants have gotten me ready to move up a level, whether that’s pro or NCAA,” Leslie said via text message. “And my focus and commitment right now is still 100 per cent on the Giants and hopefully leading the team on a long playoff run.”
The majority of his teammates are eligible to return next season. Asked about how they responded to him saying that he’d be at Bowling Green next year if he didn’t go pro, Leslie replied: “I think all the guys are excited. I think everyone wants to move up in hockey and eventually end up in pro. So I think this is a step in that direction for sure.”
Sounds like kids are really looking to move up and view the ncaa as a harder place to play if the ncaa teams will take them early.
“On the flip side of all this, the Giants brass have talked about building around this age group featuring Leslie since they all first joined the team, and thought their squad would be at the top of its cycle when they were all wrapping their eligibility. Now they’re going to have to pivot.”
CHL teams will have to deal with this new reality that they could lose players earlier than they had originally planned now that they have more options.
Hockeyville USA
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Which means they'll be able to bring in talented youngsters in sooner &/or bring in talent from Junior A, MN HS, HS-Prep, etc. Tons of ripple effects coming
Not saying that you’re necessarily wrong or going to be wrong in terms of the outcome of the “new reality”, but this isn’t a very supportive example.
As a 10th overall draft pick there was every expectation that Mazden Leslie would have secured Pro attention and moved on after his 4 years of junior eligibility were completed. A 5th year, Overage season would been considered highly unlikely at the time and was almost certainly not something the GM would have planned for.
If the Giants were basing their Championship aspirations on this age group, then they would have been building for this year and they would have been “all in”.
But they’re not…
The fact that the Giants are not making a run this year means they’re building their run around a different age group (I can think of at least 2 superb reasons why).
Even before this new arrangement, overagers were alwways viewed in the CHL differently than I think a lot of NCAA fans understand; rosters are never built around them, it’s often uncertain if they’ll return and it doesn’t usually happen until after the start of the season, they’re a luxury to have (especially good ones) but for the most part, they’re replaceable from elsewhere around the league. And the fetch precious little on the trade market.
I don’t think the CHL brass and its fans are hugely concerned about the NCAA possibly poaching some Overage players. We’d prefer you didn’t, but they’ve been able to move on if they wanted to. For the NCAA, the big competition for these players is not the CHL, it’s the AHL, ECHL and probably Europe as well.
We’re most concerned about the 19 year olds, which is where the battleground will be
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