CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

High-end players, like top 3 round picks, shouldn't be scare off by a bunch of 21 year old freshmen that aren't going anywhere. There won't be a seismic shift in college hockey demographics because these overagers are just committing to spots that already went to overagers... it's just a shuffling of which overagers get the spots.
Not true, you're going to see more and more high end guys taking spots from 19 years olds on top teams in the NCHC and Big Ten. Sending those 19 year olds to other, worse schools.

You don't seem to realize that a solid 21 year old from the CHL is going to have a bigger impact immediately and over a career than a top 3 rounder that will take a year to get up to speed and leave after his third. These CHL kids are WAY better hockey players than the 21 year olds coming out of the BCHL/NAHL.
 
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Not true, you're going to see more and more high end guys taking spots from 19 years olds on top teams in the NCHC and Big Ten. Sending those 19 year olds to other, worse schools.

You don't seem to realize that a solid 21 year old is going to have a bigger impact immediately and over a career than a top 3 rounder that will take a year to get up to speed and leave after his third.
Your point? CHLers entering the NCAA will elevate play for the whole NCAA and give the crappy programs in the CCHA, Atlantic, ECAC, etc the ability to be far more competitive every year.
 
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Not true, you're going to see more and more high end guys taking spots from 19 years olds on top teams in the NCHC and Big Ten. Sending those 19 year olds to other, worse schools.

You don't seem to realize that a solid 21 year old from the CHL is going to have a bigger impact immediately and over a career than a top 3 rounder that will take a year to get up to speed and leave after his third. These CHL kids are WAY better hockey players than the 21 year olds coming out of the BCHL/NAHL.
I was talking demographics… better 21 year olds compared to worse 21 year olds. Not to mention we could also see an offsetting effect of high end CHL teenagers joining the ranks. As I’ve said a few times, any high end kid that would have wanted to go ncaa path in old ways wouldn’t be deterred because another path before ncaa opened up. And likely more who were on the border before it but would have went CHL path will join them.
 
Your point? CHLers entering the NCAA will elevate play for the whole NCAA and give the crappy programs in the CCHA, Atlantic, ECAC, etc the ability to be far more competitive every year.
Give it five years to shake out and whatever the next iteration of NIL is and the top conferences are just going to be dominating again, thankfully since I support one of those teams.
 
Not true, you're going to see more and more high end guys taking spots from 19 years olds on top teams in the NCHC and Big Ten. Sending those 19 year olds to other, worse schools.

You don't seem to realize that a solid 21 year old from the CHL is going to have a bigger impact immediately and over a career than a top 3 rounder that will take a year to get up to speed and leave after his third. These CHL kids are WAY better hockey players than the 21 year olds coming out of the BCHL/NAHL.

For the most part yes. If it wasn't copyrighted, I'd give you NZ list of top eligible players....it is now dominated by CHLers at the top end.

If your program actually decides to recruit more high end Canadians/out of state guys*
No college can be parochial in recruiting practices in this day and age....even a Minnesota.
 
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Some could but a lot really couldn't and playing big MPG versus barely hanging around in the AHL which is a mens league is a larger jump than people are assuming here.

Heck alot of first rounders do just okay in the NCAA as it is right now and with the influx of some pretty good CHL 20 year olds the NCAA is going to get better as well.
Of course, and that's exactly what I said. Not many D+1 guys would play in the AHL. D+2 19YO's, still not a ton of them but there would be more. This season there is one '06er plus 10 from '05 playing in the AHL, so 11 in total who would still be non-overage if they played in the CHL. It would be a viable option for the high-end CHLers.

I have watched the Canucks' AHL team almost continuously for the past six years, except for the short little 2021 Covid AHL season. I'm quite aware of the jump.
 
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Not necessarily. Plenty of guys feel loyalty to the coaches/program that actually wanted them first
Nah. We’ve seen how this plays out in other sports. They’ll want to chase the opportunity. Better program, better competition, more exposure, etc. college sports has a clear hierarchy.
 
Nah. We’ve seen how this plays out in other sports. They’ll want to chase the opportunity. Better program, better competition, more exposure, etc. college sports has a clear hierarchy.
I just feel that hockey is different to some extent. We'll see if guys like Jake Sloan have massive success at Bowling Green and then leave after a year or two.

Feels like most of the hockey portal transfers have been guys wanting to use their COVID year & were told they had to go elsewhere because their current program needed space to bring in their recruits, or guys who weren't playing much and their coach told them they weren't going to have a roster spot the next season. Fewer disgruntled, "grass is greener on the other side" guys leaving for better situations in NCAA hockey.
 
I just feel that hockey is different to some extent. We'll see if guys like Jake Sloan have massive success at Bowling Green and then leave after a year or two.

Feels like most of the hockey portal transfers have been guys wanting to use their COVID year & were told they had to go elsewhere because their current program needed space to bring in their recruits, or guys who weren't playing much and their coach told them they weren't going to have a roster spot the next season. Fewer disgruntled, "grass is greener on the other side" guys leaving for better situations in NCAA hockey.
Guy like Collin Graf is a good example of what I’m talking about. Doesn’t get the same level of exposure and opportunity if he doesn’t transfer to Quinnipiac. Eric Pohlkamp to Denver another that jumps to mind. At some point, it’s just business decision.
 
I just feel that hockey is different to some extent. We'll see if guys like Jake Sloan have massive success at Bowling Green and then leave after a year or two.

Feels like most of the hockey portal transfers have been guys wanting to use their COVID year & were told they had to go elsewhere because their current program needed space to bring in their recruits, or guys who weren't playing much and their coach told them they weren't going to have a roster spot the next season. Fewer disgruntled, "grass is greener on the other side" guys leaving for better situations in NCAA hockey

In Football and basketball, money is a factor, a large factor. In college hockey, not much of a factor if any at all. Most hockey players entering the portal are doing so because of playing time, new coaching staff or are generally dissatisfied with the overall way the program is being run. In the rarer cases, exposure on a bigger stage may come into play.
 
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Why are people trying to look out for the bums that won’t have any future as notable pro hockey players?

Like all sports, look out for the big dogs. No one shows up or turns on the TV to watch the 22 year old sophomore play. People show up to watch players like Celebrini, Smith, Hagens, Buium, Augustine, etc.

I’m not against the idea of CHL’ers entering the NCAA, but I believe you have to put a limit on the age you can play NCAA hockey until, regardless of if they’re coming from the CHL, Canadian Junior A, or USHL. I would set a limit at 23. Once you turn 24, you are ineligible. You can keep your scholarship and all that, but ineligible to play in games. If they want to start earlier to get their four years, great. If they only want to come for 2-3 years after an overage year in junior, they can make that choice too.
 
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I just feel that hockey is different to some extent. We'll see if guys like Jake Sloan have massive success at Bowling Green and then leave after a year or two.

Feels like most of the hockey portal transfers have been guys wanting to use their COVID year & were told they had to go elsewhere because their current program needed space to bring in their recruits, or guys who weren't playing much and their coach told them they weren't going to have a roster spot the next season. Fewer disgruntled, "grass is greener on the other side" guys leaving for better situations in NCAA hockey.
I agree that hockey isn't going to be affected in the same manner as football or basketball. Some players will transfer but the incentive is much lower. Some of the football NIL deals, my God, these kids could just about retire after they finish their college career.
 
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The '21 year old freshman' thing isn't new and nothing has really changed there except mid-level NCAA programs are now going to get better 21 year old freshmen than the guys they were previously getting from the BCHL and USHL.

Programs like BU/BC/Michigan that have regular 18 year old freshmen on their team are the exception rather than the rule. There are a lot more teams like Minn State-Mankato that literally never have any teenagers on their teams.
 
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Why are people trying to look out for the bums that won’t have any future as notable pro hockey players?

Like all sports, look out for the big dogs. No one shows up or turns on the TV to watch the 22 year old sophomore play. People show up to watch players like Celebrini, Smith, Hagens, Buium, Augustine, etc.

I’m not against the idea of CHL’ers entering the NCAA, but I believe you have to put a limit on the age you can play NCAA hockey until, regardless of if they’re coming from the CHL, Canadian Junior A, or USHL. I would set a limit at 23. Once you turn 24, you are ineligible. You can keep your scholarship and all that, but ineligible to play in games. If they want to start earlier to get their four years, great. If they only want to come for 2-3 years after an overage year in junior, they can make that choice too.
I'm not 100% sure on this... but I think the way that it works at present, in hockey at least, is that you have full eligibility (five years to play four seasons) if you start school by the calendar year in which you turn 21, and thereafter you lose one year of eligibility.
 
In Football and basketball, money is a good factor, a large factor. In college hockey, not much of a factor if any at all. Most hockey players entering the portal are doing so because of playing time, new coaching staff or are generally dissatisfied with the overall way the program is being run. In the rarer cases, exposure on a bigger stage may come into play.
You need to look at basketball as a parallel. There is insane shuffling all over and there are over 360 D1 teams so there’s plenty of layers to it. Money is a factor for some guys but there’s not as much nil in basketball as football and the majority of D1 teams don’t pay anything or only negligible NIL. It’s mostly about aligning the right players with the right programs.

Believe me, any coach that isn’t ready to recruit the portal aggressively in hockey is going to leave themselves really far behind.
 
The '21 year old freshman' thing isn't new and nothing has really changed there except mid-level NCAA programs are now going to get better 21 year old freshmen than the guys they were previously getting from the BCHL and USHL.

Programs like BU/BC/Michigan that have regular 18 year old freshmen on their team are the exception rather than the rule. There are a lot more teams like Minn State-Mankato that literally never have any teenagers on their teams.

That is why you will never see a limit on 20 or 21 year old freshmen players. Now couple that with CHL eligibility and then pair it with the recent JUCO waiver and you have a much older NCAA.....in time you will see even fewer 18-year-old freshmen in places like BU/BC/Michigan
 
That is why you will never see a limit on 20 or 21 year old freshmen players. Now couple that with CHL eligibility and then pair it with the recent JUCO waiver and you have a much older NCAA.....in time you will see even fewer 18-year-old freshmen in places like BU/BC/Michigan

Yeah, the way this is shaking out will be poor for the higher-profile NCAA programs and good for the mid-lower level programs.
 
Yeah, the way this is shaking out will be poor for the higher-profile NCAA programs and good for the mid-lower level programs.
No.

It will mean that those higher profile teams, while still trying to go after the best young talent in the game, will reserve more and more spots to those older players at the expense of some of those younger players. They will still attract the better (older) players.
 
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No.

It will mean that those higher profile teams, while still trying to go after the best young talent in the game, will reserve more and more spots to those older players at the expense of some of those younger players. They will still attract the better (older) players.
Younger players aren’t going to be chased off. Worse older players will be. This is because they still want to recruit high end talent that will want to come in at younger ages and that do not struggle to make an impact. Only busts stink in college hockey as teenagers.
 
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I am curious why some people get hung up on NCAA hockey having players in the their 20's? Like is it just the American stereotypical ideal that college is for people aged 18-22 and anything outside of that is wrong? If you haven't used up your eligibility in some way, have at it. 60 year old freshman? Go for it. If people truly want NCAA hockey to be inline with other sports, junior hockey would have to be eliminated entirely and HS's would have to seriously step their game up. Neither of these things are likely to happen.
Idk why people are so upset about 21 year old freshmen in the D1 hockey circuit when literally any 18-21 year old rookie that steps into the NHL or any pro league is going to be facing even older grown ass, stronger and faster men that have years of experience on them anyway.
 
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No.

It will mean that those higher profile teams, while still trying to go after the best young talent in the game, will reserve more and more spots to those older players at the expense of some of those younger players. They will still attract the better (older) players.

Possibly eventually. There's still going to be an NDTP and the 5 biggest programs that most of those guys go to will still primarily be recruiting from there. The NDTP will probably just get a little bit weaker and they won't be able to supplement with Kent Johnsons and Adam Fantillis who will probably now go the CHL route.

It will be interesting to see if there's a stigma around 'sloppy seconds' for programs like Michigan/BU/BC. A guy like Tulk is going to be an elite NCAA talent and should probably be going somewhere bigger than Wisconsin. But bringing in freshman talent who are high draft picks and likely future NHLers is going to have a lot more prestige than bringing in undrafted CHL overagers who would have been playing Usports previously, no matter how good those guys will be at the NCAA level.

The portal will play into this as well, but that's kind of a separate issue moving talent around.
 
Possibly eventually. There's still going to be an NDTP and the 5 biggest programs that most of those guys go to will still primarily be recruiting from there. The NDTP will probably just get a little bit weaker and they won't be able to supplement with Kent Johnsons and Adam Fantillis who will probably now go the CHL route.
Why wouldn't the next Kent Johnson and Adam Fantili still go play NCAA Hockey when they are 18, like the prior Kent Johnson and Adam Fantilli? The CHL Route only effects where they would have played at 16-17, but they can still play college at 18 same as before.
 

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