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At one time a very highly touted player
He's put up very solid numbers in the O despite not being drafted. He's the type of player that could really boost Notre Dame, who doesn't score a ton. Not saying Fimis will become Jason Blake at UND, but he should have significant impact. Better for Fimis playing against age appropriate competition in the NCAA than having to grind at the bottom of the A or in the Coast.
 

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He's put up very solid numbers in the O despite not being drafted. He's the type of player that could really boost Notre Dame, who doesn't score a ton. Not saying Fimis will become Jason Blake at UND, but he should have significant impact. Better for Fimis playing against age appropriate competition in the NCAA than having to grind at the bottom of the A or in the Coast.
He's the type of player who would have signed a PTO with an AHL club, played for a season then most likely would have ended up on a high end USport team like UNB.
Seems like most of these higher end OA will now take the NCAA route instead in the hope of landing a more lucrative contract down the road.
 

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I don't know if that's necessarily true.

There will likely be some players at some point that are likely going to go to the NHL that either move from the USHL to the CHL or move from the CHL to the NCAA.

If for instance the Misa to NCAA for next year rumors happen, that's an example of a future NHL player who will go CHL to NCAA to NHL.
But that will predominately be because of NIL money. Porter Martone is rumoured to be going to Michigan as well. I think a lot of it rests on if the make the NHL next season or not. Martone might realistically make the NHL with his frame and talent.
 
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D1 is going to fill up on aged out CHL players who didn't produce much. Just when there was hope College hockey might get younger.... Endless supply of 21 year old freshmen incoming.
 
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D1 is going to fill up on aged out CHL players who didn't produce much. Just when there was hope College hockey might get younger.... Endless supply of 21 year old freshmen incoming.
Could see some more youth if the recent draft picks start bolting, seems like for now at least the NCAA teams are being respectful about only taking age outs, and many already drafted players have contracts signed as is. Will be interesting to see what the floodgates are the first time a player decides they'd like to leave the CHL early.
 

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D1 is going to fill up on aged out CHL players who didn't produce much. Just when there was hope College hockey might get younger.... Endless supply of 21 year old freshmen incoming

A lot of those young high end players are waiting to see how their NHL draft situations play out before deciding on anything. I would expect a few of them to decide on going to college but you are correct in saying that the NCAA is not going to get younger.
 
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D1 is going to fill up on aged out CHL players who didn't produce much. Just when there was hope College hockey might get younger.... Endless supply of 21 year old freshmen incoming.
Thats kind of the point. College sports are an older age bracket. Of the 1600+ registered D1 hockey players this season, only 108 are U20 players. That might change to like 150-200~ in the coming years but not nearly enough affect the age demographics.
 
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Thats kind of the point. College sports are an older age bracket. Of the 1600+ registered D1 hockey players this season, only 108 are U20 players. That might change to like 150-200~ in the coming years but not nearly enough affect the age demographics.
College sports are only older in ice hockey and I think skiing. All other sports have freshman at 18 or sometimes 19 in rarer circumstances.

A lot of people want to see the age finally lowered to match other sports considering the player pool has just widened. We are going in the wrong direction.
 

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College sports are only older in ice hockey and I think skiing. All other sports have freshman at 18 or sometimes 19 in rarer circumstances.

A lot of people want to see the age finally lowered to match other sports considering the player pool has just widened. We are going in the wrong direction.
I don’t think it will ever even out to where the other major sports are. They other sports don’t have the equivalent of junior hockey. It’s HS to NCAA at 18. Because hockey has this level of play that is exclusively 16-19, HS isn’t the feeder for college hockey. it just naturally offsets NCAA hockey to be older.
 
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I don’t think it will ever even out to where the other major sports are. They other sports don’t have the equivalent of junior hockey. It’s HS to NCAA at 18. Because hockey has this level of play that is exclusively 16-19, HS isn’t the feeder for college hockey. it just naturally offsets NCAA hockey to be older.
With the recent ruling, football is going to have a whole bunch of players going to JuCo first now to save their eligibility.
 

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But that will predominately be because of NIL money. Porter Martone is rumoured to be going to Michigan as well. I think a lot of it rests on if the make the NHL next season or not. Martone might realistically make the NHL with his frame and talent.
What NIL money? I haven't heard a single credible report of an American player getting significant nil money. There just isn't that much money in ncaa hockey.
Misa, Martone etc as Canadians can't get paid that way anyhow.
 

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What NIL money? I haven't heard a single credible report of an American player getting significant nil money. There just isn't that much money in ncaa hockey.
Misa, Martone etc as Canadians can't get paid that way anyhow.
NCAAH is the third highest revenue sport of all the male and female collegiate sports after throwball and basketball. Now there is a big gap between those two and third place, but the majority of hockey DI programmes either make money or break even at worst. There are some in the red for sure, but you can say that about every sport. Actually throwball is one of the biggest detrimental sports for a college due to the significant amount it costs to build a stadium, the significant amount to pay a good college coach, and the sheer number of scholarships you must give out to make your school competitive in the recruitment phase. The number for a throwball team is 105, but not everyone is getting a sports scholarship, I think it was around 40 to 50 if I remember correctly (quote me if I am wrong here). Giving 40 to 50 players a full ride is super costly to a school.

Not every school will be able to pay the rumoured one million dollar NIL contract that Michigan supposedly offered Porter, but Michigian is definitely one school which can do that.
 

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I don’t think it will ever even out to where the other major sports are. They other sports don’t have the equivalent of junior hockey. It’s HS to NCAA at 18. Because hockey has this level of play that is exclusively 16-19, HS isn’t the feeder for college hockey. it just naturally offsets NCAA hockey to be older.
Yes I understand the path but the point is that the current system in place is not necessarily the right one.

The current system where you have to be older to play was started to help low end teams who have trouble recruiting talent compete by having much older rosters. A lot of people have been unhappy with it since inception, but with the recent changes there have been debates of NCAA finally becoming younger again.

If college hockey sets a cap on freshman age, or max age to play, then the need to play juniors after 18 disappears. If you can play juniors at 16 against kids as old as 20, why cant you play college at 18 against kids as old as 22? Junior hockey in the US is an unnecessary placeholder if all of College hockey agree on the same age caps.

I mean its only been about 15 years since kids were still going from Prep directly to College. Kevin Hayes comes to mind but there might have been a few after him as well.

The system is stupid and hurts student athletes which College sports were supposed to be for. Then again with the NIL changes and money being thrown around who knows what College sports are any more?
 

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I mean its only been about 15 years since kids were still going from Prep directly to College. Kevin Hayes comes to mind but there might have been a few after him as well.
Yes, Prep to NCAA as a direct pathline has really dried up. It was a little surprising to me to see Dean Letourneau do it this year. Similar to Jay O'Brien six years ago, it's a tough transition.

The more common default for kids in the U.S. not quite draft level but good enough to play in College seems to be Prep/HS through 17 -> Junior 18/19 -> College at 20 or 21.

Not sure how it'll work with CHL where the kids are usually attending camps and trying out to make the team when they're 16, although many get returned back to their AAA (or in some cases especially in Ontario, lent to a Junior A team) and get called up here and there, then (hopefully) make the team when they're 17. You probably won't see American doing that in a similar fashion, but I don't know how many will be able to walk onto a roster when they're 18 either (other than high-end, drafted type kids), when the team is likely prioritizing the 4 year players.
 
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Yes, Prep to NCAA as a direct pathline has really dried up. It was a little surprising to me to see Dean Letourneau do it this year. Similar to Jay O'Brien six years ago, it's a tough transition.

The more common default for kids in the U.S. not quite draft level but good enough to play in College seems to be Prep/HS through 17 -> Junior 18/19 -> College at 20 or 21.

Not sure how it'll work with CHL where the kids are usually attending camps and trying out to make the team when they're 16, although many get returned back to their AAA (or in some cases especially in Ontario, lent to a Junior A team) and get called up here and there, then (hopefully) make the team when they're 17. You probably won't see American doing that in a similar fashion, but I don't know how many will be able to walk onto a roster when they're 18 either (other than high-end, drafted type kids), when the team is likely prioritizing the 4 year players.
I know with the OHL specifically, there's been a push lately for 16 year old that aren't high end to play in the GOJHL with occasional call ups. Honestly it's a good system. A good chunk of 16 year olds benefit from top 6 ice time in junior B instead of being buried in the bottom 6. They come in ready to go at 17 in their draft year. London has been using this strategy for a while and others are copying it. A handful of teams are even affiliated with GOJHL teams. This will likely be the norm in the OHL going forward. If you don't have good ice time for a 16 year old, you send them down to develop with an affiliate. 17-19 you get them in their prime. WHL typically has kids in AAA post bantam draft. Don't usually see them go to junior A unless they are trending towards the NCAA. I have no idea how that's going to chance for the WHL. Completely in the dark on the Q.
 

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Yes I understand the path but the point is that the current system in place is not necessarily the right one.

The current system where you have to be older to play was started to help low end teams who have trouble recruiting talent compete by having much older rosters. A lot of people have been unhappy with it since inception, but with the recent changes there have been debates of NCAA finally becoming younger again.

If college hockey sets a cap on freshman age, or max age to play, then the need to play juniors after 18 disappears. If you can play juniors at 16 against kids as old as 20, why cant you play college at 18 against kids as old as 22? Junior hockey in the US is an unnecessary placeholder if all of College hockey agree on the same age caps.

I mean its only been about 15 years since kids were still going from Prep directly to College. Kevin Hayes comes to mind but there might have been a few after him as well.

The system is stupid and hurts student athletes which College sports were supposed to be for. Then again with the NIL changes and money being thrown around who knows what College sports are any more?
There is absolutely nobody who is lobbying for this. This would not only destroy NCAA hockey, but also every junior league in existence. It will never happen.
 

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Yes I understand the path but the point is that the current system in place is not necessarily the right one.

The current system where you have to be older to play was started to help low end teams who have trouble recruiting talent compete by having much older rosters. A lot of people have been unhappy with it since inception, but with the recent changes there have been debates of NCAA finally becoming younger again.

If college hockey sets a cap on freshman age, or max age to play, then the need to play juniors after 18 disappears. If you can play juniors at 16 against kids as old as 20, why cant you play college at 18 against kids as old as 22? Junior hockey in the US is an unnecessary placeholder if all of College hockey agree on the same age caps.

I mean its only been about 15 years since kids were still going from Prep directly to College. Kevin Hayes comes to mind but there might have been a few after him as well.

The system is stupid and hurts student athletes which College sports were supposed to be for. Then again with the NIL changes and money being thrown around who knows what College sports are any more?
It is absolutely fine the way it is right now. There is no one lobbying to make college hockey younger because it doesnt need to be and there arent enough U20 aged players to fill the majority of spots on teams anyways. Just naive wishful thinking on your part.
 

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