CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[bigdog16]

Agreed, we’ll see how this all shakes out over the coming few years. I think the canary in the coal mine is Gavin McKenna and what he may end up doing. If he goes to the NCAA that may end up being the preferred route for late birthdate players prior to the draft who are high end prospects.

I just personally think that the CHL proponents seem to know a lot more about the NCAA than the NCAA proponents know about the CHL. I’ve outlined plenty of issues that may keep players in the CHL/prevent them being eligible for NCAA, so I won’t rehash anymore of that.

If we’re evolving our knowledge and positions on things throughout this process, I think the rigid concept of “this and only this constitutes….whatever” also needs to evolve.

The route by which most players arrive to the NCAA currently is through the USHL. The USHL also employs a draft. It’s a bit a different than the CHL admittedly, but there is a draft nonetheless. Afterwards, players can attend the NCAA school of their choosing. This is not substantially dissimilar to the CHL -> USports route; a player can choose whatever University or College he likes (provided the grades are met and there is reciprocal interest). In my Ottawa example, I am not forced to got to the UofO; I could go to Western, or UofT, or Lakehead….all paid for, so essentially on scholarship.

So, again, while certainly a different process in many ways, these players are still ultimately student athlete in the end, playing University hockey at the same age as their counterparts in the NCAA.

Beauchene and Karabela as well

I think its opposite. CHL proponents are completely downplaying the USHL and NCAA. And many don’t understand the talent level. The CHL is far closer in talent than many want to admit. And theres a significantly larger gap in level of play between the NCAA and the CHL compared to the CHL and USHL.

 

[Corso]

I think its opposite. CHL proponents are completely downplaying the USHL and NCAA. And many don’t understand the talent level. The CHL is far closer in talent than many want to admit. And theres a significantly larger gap in level of play between the NCAA and the CHL compared to the CHL and USHL.

I think a lot of the CHL proponents are fixated on talent while dismissing the age factor. Sure we can argue that the CHL has a slight talent edge over the NCAA but that slight edge is simply not enough to overcome a two to three year age gap. Can the London Knights compete in the Big 10 or Hockey East? Probably but I wouldn't have them as the favorites to win either conference. They are more talented than a majority of the rosters found in both conferences but their age would place them at a disadvantage.

Of course that is not what we are talking about here though. We are focused on development and what will be the best path to a NHL career. Some will have to go through the NCAA as they will need more time in order to be ready for the pro game. Others will simply jump from the CHL to the AHL-NHL route and bypass college all together. It's those last two points that has created a bit of animosity with some posters.

The pro college lads seem to think that the NCAA will become the undisputed top of the pyramid amateur model with the CHL becoming its primary feeder. Now the CHL will indeed become a very important and most likely dominant feeder but the CHL will continue to encourage and promote the pro route for the elite players and the majority of those players will sign ELCs as soon as their able to and bypass the college route.

The pro CHL boys think that no CHLers will leave for the NCAA until they completely exhaust their eligibility and that ALL high end players will sign ELCs before their D+1 or D+2 seasons. Even the WHL commissioner admitted that it would be very arrogant to believe that all players will remain in the CHL until 20 or 21. There will be high end players that leave the CHL at 18 or 19 to play college hockey before signing their ELCs.

The real massive changes are what is going to happen underneath the NCAA/CHL level. Some here believe that the changes will only be at the margins but I disagree with that and time will prove who is right.

 

[wetcoast]

Do you think Quentin Musty is happy with his decision to spurn the NTDP? The developmental pathway aside, USA Hockey doesn't forget. No coincidence that the story leaked about Musty not having been invited to the WJC even if he hadn't been injured.

If Musty was left off teams for choosing his path then shame on USA Hockey.

 

[Leviathan899]

Lol. Zero % of what you just said is based on anything other than opinion.

I’ve watched both teams play 10 games this season. Your opinion is also worthless in the grand scheme of things. I just love guys who don’t watch much hockey try and make outlandish claims, thinking the USHL is comparable to the OHL. Apples to oranges in caliber.

I don’t know about saying a bunch of their guys could play NCAA. For the Storm I’d say Luchanko, Allen, Namestnikov, and Alrikson could. The rest of their line up wouldn’t be more than 4th liners for most mid level to better NCAA teams.

Edit: Katzin too. Forgot about him

Almost all of their players are or will be D1 caliber.

 

[Leviathan899]

I think its opposite. CHL proponents are completely downplaying the USHL and NCAA. And many don’t understand the talent level. The CHL is far closer in talent than many want to admit. And theres a significantly larger gap in level of play between the NCAA and the CHL compared to the CHL and USHL.

I’ve watch the USHL extensively over the years as well as all CHL leagues, but primarily the OHL. The talent level isn’t close. There’s not a single player in the USHL that would even be considered as an invite for the Canadian WJC camp, yet 98% of them are all CHL players. The NTDP gives the league a big boost, but only when they’re good. They’ve been bad for a couple of years now and the 08’s are just as bad as the 07’s. There’s not a single USHL player who’s ranked in the first round this year, outside maybe Rombach. The league has been propped up by high end Canadian kids going there, power, Fantilli, Celebrini, Hage, Boisvert, Valentini, but after this year, I doubt too many of them take that route. Plus you’re about to lose
Two franchises and all the OHL territory players on those rosters as well. The USHL is a fine league but it’s not rich in talent or skill.

This is BC's athletic director denying that random rumor about a $1.4 million offer to Misa.

I don't blame him for correcting the record. It sets a bad precedent for prospective recruits if they think these are the types of deals flying around and then they get offered far less than that in reality.

These rumours are abhorrent and a stain on the game of hockey. Enough is enough.

 

[Kingpin794]

I’ve seen a few people mention McKenna as the canary in the coal mine. But he’s such a unicorn. He’s not just an elite talent. He’s a can’t miss, plan to retire the number type player. I would guess he’s playing NCAA next year if his academics are in order.

I think a better example of a high end late birthday to watch would be someone like Ryan Roobroeck. If someone like him goes to the NCAA as a late birthday, it could be a sign of things to come.

 

[jtechkid]

I’ve watch the USHL extensively over the years as well as all CHL leagues, but primarily the OHL. The talent level isn’t close. There’s not a single player in the USHL that would even be considered as an invite for the Canadian WJC camp, yet 98% of them are all CHL players. The NTDP gives the league a big boost, but only when they’re good. They’ve been bad for a couple of years now and the 08’s are just as bad as the 07’s. There’s not a single USHL player who’s ranked in the first round this year, outside maybe Rombach. The league has been propped up by high end Canadian kids going there, power, Fantilli, Celebrini, Hage, Boisvert, Valentini, but after this year, I doubt too many of them take that route. Plus you’re about to lose
Two franchises and all the OHL territory players on those rosters as well. The USHL is a fine league but it’s not rich in talent or skill.


These rumours are abhorrent and a stain on the game of hockey. Enough is enough.

The number of US-born players in the NHL has reached an all-time high this season, at 29.3 percent of the league. In contrast, the percentage of Canadian players has dropped to 41.2 percent, the lowest of all time. fyi lol

 

[Leviathan899]

The number of US-born players in the NHL has reached an all-time high this season, at 29.3 percent of the league. In contrast, the percentage of Canadian players has dropped to 41.2 percent, the lowest of all time. fyi lol

Yeah I know this, thanks for the info… this is the result of there being growth in NHL expansion into untapped markets and the fact other European nations are pulling their weight more than in the past. Doesn’t negate anything I said though. I’m not shitting on USA hockey, it’s done a good job over the years to try and close the gap, but 20 years later and it’s still not closed. Demographic changes in Canada may help them even more, but USA hockey has also plateaud. Worst draft in recent memory last year and this years draft might be worse for them. This CHL-NCAA agreement may in the end benefit the middle to lower end ncaa programs, but for USA hockey, it’s not exactly a great thing. Already we’ve seen 30 or so Canadian kids commit to ncaa schools who otherwise wouldn’t have and likely would have gone to an American player. Now a lot of those spots will be given to 20 year old Canadians.

 

[bigdog16]

I’ve watched both teams play 10 games this season. Your opinion is also worthless in the grand scheme of things. I just love guys who don’t watch much hockey try and make outlandish claims, thinking the USHL is comparable to the OHL. Apples to oranges in caliber.


Almost all of their players are or will be D1 caliber.

I played NCAA and had cousins that played CHL. Nice that you watched 10 games though

I’ve watch the USHL extensively over the years as well as all CHL leagues, but primarily the OHL. The talent level isn’t close. There’s not a single player in the USHL that would even be considered as an invite for the Canadian WJC camp, yet 98% of them are all CHL players. The NTDP gives the league a big boost, but only when they’re good. They’ve been bad for a couple of years now and the 08’s are just as bad as the 07’s. There’s not a single USHL player who’s ranked in the first round this year, outside maybe Rombach. The league has been propped up by high end Canadian kids going there, power, Fantilli, Celebrini, Hage, Boisvert, Valentini, but after this year, I doubt too many of them take that route. Plus you’re about to lose
Two franchises and all the OHL territory players on those rosters as well. The USHL is a fine league but it’s not rich in talent or skill.


These rumours are abhorrent and a stain on the game of hockey. Enough is enough.

I never said the USHL was better than the OHL. I said the talent level is way closer between the USHL and OHL than the NCAA and the OHL. Thats not even debatable.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I never said the USHL was better than the OHL. I said the talent level is way closer between the USHL and OHL than the NCAA and the OHL. Thats not even debatable.

Lol. Zero % of what you just said is based on anything other than opinion.

 

[WarriorofTime]

More piling dirt on USA hockey and assuming the literal all stars of the CHL are representative of the caliber of 60 teams worth of players. Yup.

 

[Golden_Jet]

More piling dirt on USA hockey and assuming the literal all stars of the CHL are representative of the caliber of 60 teams worth of players. Yup.

Yep there are some, but tbf you are doing the same, gate keeping USA hockey, some us, looking at it from both sides.
Try driving down the middle lane.

 

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ushl is dramatically harder league to score than ohl - bchl guys scoring a ton too in the chl . As a high end scout( im not ) my evaluation statisticaly speaking by kids leaving leagues and playing in the chl , its not as high end league nhl scouts think . im a math guy - im sure lot of nhl scouts for the first time can criss cross statistically instat numbers because first time of that many kids leaving . When i do it shows chl is overrated especially in depth in late round drafting .

 

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ushl is dramatically harder league to score than ohl - bchl guys scoring a ton too in the chl . As a high end scout( im not ) my evaluation statisticaly speaking by kids leaving leagues and playing in the chl , its not as high end league nhl scouts think . im a math guy - im sure lot of nhl scouts for the first time can criss cross statistically instat numbers because first time of that many kids leaving . When i do it shows chl is overrated especially in depth in late round drafting .

Ya poster probably wants a mulligan on that one.