Proposal: Chicago/ Buffalo Murphy and/or McCabe to Buffalo

[tsujimoto74]

I would do Bryson/Johnson + 2nd for Murphy

Those are not interchangeable pieces. Bryson is an undersized bottom pairing/7th D. Johnson is a good, high floor prospect. The only thing working against Johnson is that he can become a UFA this summer, but even if that happens we get a 2nd as a comp pick for him. I'd be hard-pressed to imagine anybody giving us a 2nd for Bryson.

 

[Fjordy]

Those are not interchangeable pieces. Bryson is an undersized bottom pairing/7th D. Johnson is a good, high floor prospect. The only thing working against Johnson is that he can become a UFA this summer, but even if that happens we get a 2nd as a comp pick for him. I'd be hard-pressed to imagine anybody giving us a 2nd for Bryson.

I know they have different cost, I just don't know which option is closer to a fair cost.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Yeah, no way McCabe gets a first. And if they get a first for Murphy it'll be a late one if at all. It wouldn't be to far ahead of Buffalo's second. And in this proposal, Buffalo's giving up another second on top of that

A 2nd for McCabe is hilarious. Two more years of him at $4m. LOL

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Why

 

[Behn Wilson]

Those are not interchangeable pieces. Bryson is an undersized bottom pairing/7th D. Johnson is a good, high floor prospect. The only thing working against Johnson is that he can become a UFA this summer, but even if that happens we get a 2nd as a comp pick for him. I'd be hard-pressed to imagine anybody giving us a 2nd for Bryson.

Hawks are done w undersized d-man, they have cleared out all of the awful Bowman smurf d-man except Ian Mitchell who is getting hsi last chance and likely will be gone soon

 

[CallMeShaft]

A 2nd for each is fine value for the Hawks.

But if you want salary retention, it's a 1st; they become real solid additions to a team when they are getting paid $2m per for the next few seasons.

 

[biturbo19]

I'd think each of Murphy and McCabe can get 1sts on their own. Their term should enhance their value. Teams balking at overpaying for rentals will likely turn to Chicago for either as an option.

I do think Murphy probably fetches a 1st, as a tall RHD. There's a premium on that, and his contract is alright. Definitely moves him to a different market than the real "rental" shoppers though. I'm not sure that even really "enhances" his value per se. It just markets him to a different sort of "buyer" with all that term left.

Often at the deadline, that "expiring contract" is what teams really want in an acquisition. It gives them the boost they want for their current roster playoff push...but it gives them that all important flexibility to go in different directions depending on how well the fit actually works out on the ice, and how the teams plans in general shift based on playoff performance as a group. It gives them that option to work out a contract extension if the fit is good, or just walk away if it doesn't work as intended. Whereas 3 more years of term remaining after this season's run...you're kinda stuck with that, so you've gotta be a lot more sure it's going to be the right fit long-term. Not just, "the best fit currently available right now".


As for McCabe, i think that applies even more so to him. There's a bit of risk and uncertainty associated with what you're really getting there. In terms of quality of play, dependability/health, and in terms of how he'll fit within your system. With 2 more years after this at a pretty significant $4M pricetag, that's gonna scare off a lot of competitive "loading up at the deadline" sort of teams with tight cap structure trying to retain all their own quality players down the line. There's not a huge market of teams with multi-year cap-space to burn that are likely to be shopping as "buyers" toward the deadline this year.


There are teams where term and cost certainty might appeal, but i don't think it's a big enough pool to really "enhance" their value in-season/toward the deadline.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

For Murphy, I'd go with Fitzgerald and Buffalo's 2nd...maybe Philly's. That's a 3.6 mil or so cap savings and a younger depth D-man making league min and hitting RFA status.

I'm not sure about McCabe, and not being sure about a guy adding another 4 mil to the cap for 3rd pair duties is shaky ground.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

A 2nd for each is fine value for the Hawks.

But if you want salary retention, it's a 1st; they become real solid additions to a team when they are getting paid $2m per for the next few seasons.

That why I have Johnson in there to which is another 2nd if he doesn't sign. In this proposal the Hawks would Buffalo's early second, Vegas's second, and Johnson who signs or becomes another 2nd. But I'm getting a lot of flak about asking for McCabe lol.

 

[Irie]

A 2nd for each is fine value for the Hawks.

But if you want salary retention, it's a 1st; they become real solid additions to a team when they are getting paid $2m per for the next few seasons.

The idea that Buffalo would ask for salary retention is kinda funny.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Would three seconds get both guys? And what more would it take to get Murphy at 50%. I know Chicago will be rebuilding and the retention might actually help get Chicago to the cap floor for a rebuild. Also keep in mind Buffalo's second will be an early second.

Done and done. Got any more 2nd's you're looking to spend?

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

The idea that Buffalo would ask for salary retention is kinda funny.

Just want to make sure there's cap space in the last year of his contract to sign Dahlin and Power

 

[Pertti]

No retaining but we can take bad contracts.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

id pass on a 2nd for Murphy. would need more to move on from him imo

 

[Hobnobs]

I'd think each of Murphy and McCabe can get 1sts on their own. Their term should enhance their value. Teams balking at overpaying for rentals will likely turn to Chicago for either as an option.

They are not fetching 1sts in this draft... Maybe a very late one which has similar value to a Sabres 2nd. Especially if its the Flyers 2nd.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

No retaining but we can take bad contracts.

Problem is Buffalo really doesn’t have any to give. Well, maybe one but you don't want that one lol.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

This doesn’t need to be complex. Either 2 2nds or a 2nd + Johnson for Murphy.

Little interest in McCabe.

 

[Fjordy]

This doesn’t need to be complex. Either 2 2nds or a 2nd + Johnson for Murphy.

Little interest in McCabe.

Perhaps Portillo could also be in the mix instead Johnson or one 2nd, if Chicago is looking for goalie prospect,

 

[Hobnobs]

To Sabres
Murphy

To Chi
2nd + another pick?

To Chi
Zaitsev
2nd
4th

To Sens
Considerations

Ultimate tank mode

 

[Mrfenn92]

Murphy is a fit for buffalo. McCabe isn’t. Also not really sure if the hawks would trade both. They’ve said they don’t want to rush prospects along and they still need vets to eat tank minutes I guess.
They will probably ask for a first for Murphy and go down from there. McCabe maybe gets a second but I’m not sure about that probably lower.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

This doesn’t need to be complex. Either 2 2nds or a 2nd + Johnson for Murphy.

Little interest in McCabe.

I still think McCabe can be useful. Yeah, He's a little overpaid. But we can absorb his four million dollar contract for the next two years. And yeah, he does have some injury history, but so do a lot of defenseman. But he's still an OK player and right now leading the Blackhawks in expected goals against so he's not terrible. I don't want him to come here and play top line minutes or anything. I want him as a bottom pair guy and he's way better then anyone else we have in that spot. So I'll overpay to have a guy on the bottom pair who doesn't let the other team shell our mediocre goalies when he steps on the ice like our bottom pair does now. And he's decent on the PK. Maybe there's better options out there. But trying to find a team that's selling and finding a defenseman that fits our needs with breaking the bank is few and far between. Chicago's selling. McCabe can be gotten for little. And he's a lot better then Bryson or Pilut.

 

[Mrfenn92]

To Sabres
Murphy

To Chi
2nd + another pick?

To Chi
Zaitsev
2nd
4th

To Sens
Considerations

Ultimate tank mode

Done from Chicago’s side.

Buffalo’s two and another two or Johnson’s rights.

Sens might say no and just buyout Zaitsev after the season but chicagos end sure can even send a warm body back for defense.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Perhaps Portillo could also be in the mix instead Johnson or one 2nd, if Chicago is looking for goalie prospect,

Chicago already has Portillo’s