Confirmed Trade: [CHI/VAN] Ilya Mikheyev (15% retained), Sam Lafferty, 2027 2nd round pick for 2027 4th round pick

[Canucks LB]

The 4th is going to Carolina for Guentzel's rights YHIHF.

Yes, yes please

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

If Mikheyev declines the trade, Vancouver can just put him on waivers and both teams can complete the transaction without him while Chicago puts in a claim

He doesn’t have a NMC - no leverage

Why would Chicago put in the claim? First, he has negative value, that's why the higher assets are going in that direction, and second, he's saying outright that he doesn't want to be there, reducing the value even more.

Plus, it's obviously too high risk for Vancouver, because Chicago can basically just NOT claim him and keep the higher pick.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Why would Chicago put in the claim? First, he has negative value, that's why the higher assets are going in that direction, and second, he's saying outright that he doesn't want to be there, reducing the value even more.

Plus, it's obviously too high risk for Vancouver, because Chicago can basically just now claim him and keep the higher pick.

Chicago isn’t giving the higher pick

 

[Rowlet]

Why would Chicago put in the claim? First, he has negative value, that's why the higher assets are going in that direction, and second, he's saying outright that he doesn't want to be there, reducing the value even more.

Plus, it's obviously too high risk for Vancouver, because Chicago can basically just now claim him and keep the higher pick.

Chicago gets the higher pick to take him

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Chicago isn’t giving the higher pick

That's what I'm saying.

If the Vancouver gives the second and Lafferty for a 4th, then Chicago turns around and doesn't claim Michayev. Vancouver gets screwed.

 

[Rowlet]

That's what I'm saying.

If the Vancouver gives the second and Lafferty for a 4th, then Chicago turns around and doesn't claim Michayev. Vancouver gets screwed.

You can make the trade conditional on the Hawks claiming Mikheyev. Also, Allvin has a good relationship with the Blackhawks, they keep getting picks from him, why would Chicago screw that up?

 

[DJJones]

That's what I'm saying.

If the Vancouver gives the second and Lafferty for a 4th, then Chicago turns around and doesn't claim Michayev. Vancouver gets screwed.

That'd be sleazy as hell by Chicago. Backstage handshakes gotta mean something

 

[Mrfenn92]

You can make the trade conditional on the Hawks claiming Mikheyev. Also, Allvin has a good relationship with the Blackhawks, they keep getting picks from him, why would Chicago screw that up?

They wouldn’t

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

You can make the trade conditional on the Hawks claiming Mikheyev. Also, Allvin has a good relationship with the Blackhawks, they keep getting picks from him, why would Chicago screw that up?

Didn't realize a trade could be officially conditional based on a waiver claim.

Either way, if he's rejecting a trade to Chicago, that's no reason for them to do this and keep a guy that has no desire to play there.

 

[Breakers]

If this money goes towards Tyler Myers I may just internally combust.

 

[DJJones]

Didn't realize a trade could be officially conditional based on a waiver claim.

Either way, if he's rejecting a trade to Chicago, that's no reason for them to do this and keep a guy that has no desire to play there.

I'm not sure it could be. I feel like the union would have an issue with that as its bypassing a NMC

 

[Mrfenn92]

Kuzmenko 2.0

 

[Rowlet]

Didn't realize a trade could be officially conditional based on a waiver claim.

Either way, if he's rejecting a trade to Chicago, that's no reason for them to do this and keep a guy that has no desire to play there.

Pretty sure the trade can be conditional on basically anything. Make the deal on a conditional 2nd, then if they don't pick him it becomes a 7th.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Kuzmenko 2.0

Meier 2.0

 

[ohnoeszz]

I'd been thinking of Chicago as the destination. It makes perfect sense for them. Mikheyev is a legit defensive player and pker with speed. His contract only has 2 years left and no free agent wants to go to a bad team in Chicago except for term with money.

This gets them a pick, a short term upgrade at wing/pk, and a long term trade chip as I think they will easily be able to trade him for good value in his last year.

VAN gets cap space to buy the players that now actually want to play there.

It's a really sensible trade.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Why would Chicago put in the claim? First, he has negative value, that's why the higher assets are going in that direction, and second, he's saying outright that he doesn't want to be there, reducing the value even mo

If this money goes towards Tyler Myers I may just internally combust.

He was excellent last year. Anything under 3 and it's excellent value.
Need to wipe the previous five years and 6 million cap out of the picture and judge by what Foote and Tochett got out of him.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Hi is this still available

I'm told Mrs. Hawktua is holding up the deal.

 

[Breakers]

He was excellent last year. Anything under 3 and it's excellent value.
Need to wipe the previous five years and 6 million cap out of the picture and judge by what Foote and Tochett got out of him.

Whoever the hell started this narrative needs to be banned from this site

No he wasn’t

 

[StickShift]

I'm not sure it could be. I feel like the union would have an issue with that as its bypassing a NMC

Mikheyev has a NTC, not a NMC. He cannot block going on waivers and any team claiming him.

The union didn’t protest it happening to Barclay Goodrow, either. Or Todd Marchant back in the day, either.

 

[Empoleon8771]

So maybe Mikheyev said no to Chicago, but is also saying no to the team Chicago wants to flip him to?

 

[DJJones]

Mikheyev has a NTC, not a NMC. He cannot block going on waivers and any team claiming him.

The union didn’t protest it happening to Barclay Goodrow, either. Or Todd Marchand back in the day, either.

Goodrow got waived and claimed. This would be effectively traded through a waiver wire.

 

[StickShift]

So maybe Mikheyev said no to Chicago, but is also saying no to the team Chicago wants to flip him to?

I wonder if Chicago is trying to flip him for 50% to a third party.

Goodrow got waived and claimed. This would be effectively traded through a waiver wire.

Yes.

 

[Treb]

Competition for Mikheyev? Why?

Competition for the 2nd round pick?

 

[mrdomino]

So maybe Mikheyev said no to Chicago, but is also saying no to the team Chicago wants to flip him to?

He hasn't been asked to waive yet.

His agent is also helping to faciliate the trade.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Didn't realize a trade could be officially conditional based on a waiver claim.

Either way, if he's rejecting a trade to Chicago, that's no reason for them to do this and keep a guy that has no desire to play there.

Pretty sure the trade can be conditional on basically anything. Make the deal on a conditional 2nd, then if they don't pick him it becomes a 7th.

A trade can't be conditional on a waiver claim. The league has already come out and said any future trade between the Sharks and Rangers will be heavily scrutinized to make sure there is no payback for the waiver claim. If it was found a team circumventef a NTC the PA would be all over it with a grievance.