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Confirmed with Link: [CHI/EDM] Hawks acquire F Liam Coughlin for G Anders Nilsson

dbridge

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Marotte Marauder said:
Yup, a cheap, NHL experienced player in a specialty position will become more valuable IF a team has a training camp mishap.

Nope, an aging expensive (after down playoff, down season and another down playoff) winger will not become more valuable as the pool of potential buyers dries up due to cap restrictions.

It can't be explained any more clearly.
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So you want to hold on to Raanta until September. Nilsson is impossible to keep since, as others have pointed out, he would've been KHL-bound by August. You pray and hope for an injury to an NHL goalie in training camp. What happens then? Is a team suddenly going to give up a great asset to acquire a goalie who is a week away from waivers so they can replace that injured goalie for a month, then you have to waive Raanta or the previous backup when the goalie returns? Unless this injured goalie is already declared out for most of the year, a team will likely either use their own goalie depth or sign a veteran for next to nothing (Gustavsson, Emery, Fasth, and MacDonald all have significant NHL experience and are unsigned).

There were a lot of goalies available and not a lot of NHL openings. They traded Raanta when they did, they got an ok AHL prospect. If you keep him until September, you more than likely lose him to waivers.
 
hockeydoug

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Marotte Marauder said:
Yup, a cheap, NHL experienced player in a specialty position will become more valuable IF a team has a training camp mishap.

Nope, an aging expensive (after down playoff, down season and another down playoff) winger will not become more valuable as the pool of potential buyers dries up due to cap restrictions.

It can't be explained any more clearly.
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No, bottom of the system guys don't become more valuable in terms of helping a gm build an NHL roster.
AHL players and players not getting a contract the next season are NOT on the same scale as players that can help the big team.

Suave-Flick
Paradis-and the kid from Cornell
Fornataro-Segal
David toews
Richmond-Fallon
etc.

None of those were going to add to the value for a future trade in pieces around helping a big team. They're contract slot and/or minutes of ice time is more valuable than the player themselves. Suave wasn't going to do anything for boston either. Fallon was a waste in STL etc. All these guys were going to be lost for nothing...and eventually they almost always are.

It's a different trading scale for value. That's why these guys are usually associated with the most traded player in the NHL, Mr future considerations. They're, space/depth fillers. Everybody knows it.

When they're swapped in a package it's about matching/opening contract slots more than anything, the value of the primary pieces isn't enhanced (like Brisebois or Pacan).

This is just another long winded way of saying these trades don't mean anything for the big team. In Nilsson's case, it was correctly characterized as a lotto ticket.
 
hockeydoug

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Nilsson wasn't going to sit around for very long anyway. He would have been long gone before the league gms even extended camp invitations.

What is the basis for an opinion that Bowman could have waited and gotten something better for a player not even under contract with Euro area options?

Is there an example in the last 10 years?
 
Salvaged Ship

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rick hawk said:
I get it the Hawks have been very successful lately. I'm happy and grateful. However, the reason many of us bother with this venue is to get other Hawk fans take on things. We share an interest in the most minute things Hawk related. Some times we agree. Often we don't.

We don't have to agree with every decision. We don't have to love every player. If the great success we have all enjoyed lately means the only sentiment that can be expressed can be euphoria count me out. I can't imagine anything more boring or pointless.
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You don't have to agree with every decision, I certainly don't. You also don't have to disagree with every one either. Some in here disagree with EVERY decision. That's exaclty what you are talking about as well, only in the other direction.
 
ploppsdman

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There was no spot for Nilsson in Chicago and he wasn't coming here to play in the AHL. This deal is a favor to Nilsson and that's fine. Same thing with Raanta. There comes a point where you need to see players as human beings and it isn't fair to "stash" Raanta or Nilsson away somewhere. Chicago has Leighton in the minors if something catastrophic happens ... and if something terrible does happen ... the difference between Leighton and Raanta isn't so large that it truly matters to the team.
 

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For next year's awards, this gets my early nomination for worst thread.
 
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Marotte Marauder said:
Which is more likely? A player getting an injury that last maybe 25% of the season (and you add a cheap goalie) or a player getting a long enough injury to LTIR to free up space for Sharp.

You guys are just hilarious.
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There are plenty of teams with lots of cap space right now.

What's more likely, a team wanting a top 6 LW with 3 Cups 2 seasons removed from 78pts, or a team wanting 2 goalies who haven't done crap in the NHL?

Also, what do you expect Stan to get even in your situation? A 1st round pick, a 2nd? LOL
The goalies we traded were getting nothing no matter when they were traded. If teams ask for too much, they will just go an sign one of the many goalies who are currently out of a job and don't have to give up anything at all to get them, except money.
 
ClydeLee

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It seemed like it had to be such a thing, or at least him simply telling them he had no desire to sign with them having a their Starter and Backup for the NHL set.
 
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