Proposal: CHI-CGY

[Kevin Musto]

To Chicago:

-Sean Monahan

To Calgary:

-Jonathan Toews (@ 39% retention)

This is only if Toews decides he wants to leave the team in the off season. It seems he's leaning in the direction, but nothing is confirmed.

The 39% retention makes the contracts even, so it's fair on both sides.

Calgary gets a minimal upgrade + vet presence.

Chicago gets an opportunity to potentially rehab Monahan and flip him at next year's deadline.

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[Flames Fanatic]

I mean, sure. Not sure why Hawks would do this.

 

[blankall]

How does this help Calgary's cap situation? Calgary in no way needs forward depth. They need cap room.

 

[Mersss]

How does this help Calgary's cap situation? Calgary in no way needs forward depth. They need cap room.

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

 

[Volica]

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

He can be bought out for a 2/3st savings.
There's no f***ing chance that Calgary adds anything to Monahan as valuable as a first or Pelletier just to dump him. Weird people on the internet need to understand that.

 

[blankall]

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

Calgary can just buy out Monahan then. Calgary can retain up to $2million before it becomes better to buy him out. Calgary is not giving up Pelletier (attaching that kind of asset for a cap dump would be unheard of), and I seriously doubt they attach anything more than a 2nd round pick to take on the full cap hit.

Also no one is taking on Toews, even at 40% retained. His contract makes no sense to buy out.

 

[Mersss]

Calgary can just buy out Monahan then. Calgary can retain up to $2million before it becomes better to buy him out. Calgary is not giving up Pelletier (attaching that kind of asset for a cap dump would be unheard of), and I seriously doubt they attach anything more than a 2nd round pick to take on the full cap hit.

Also no one is taking on Toews, even at 40% retained. His contract makes no sense to buy out.

6.75M$ for a back-up forward... At least Toews can be a serviceable 4th line C winning draw and PKing. Monahan is just plain terrible, in every aspect of the game.

It'll end in a buy out then, cause no team is taking 6.75M$ on their cap. Hell even cap floor team wouldn't want him cause they'd still need to pay him 6M$ in actual money.

 

[Mersss]

He can be bought out for a 2/3st savings.
There's no f***ing chance that Calgary adds anything to Monahan as valuable as a first or Pelletier just to dump him. Weird people on the internet need to understand that.

And no other GM will help the Flames out of their misery. So it'll end in a buy out and CGY will still get hit by the buyout, and lose key players to UFA (JG) due to the lack of cap space

 

[Kevin Musto]

I mean, sure. Not sure why Hawks would do this.

As I said, it's only if Toews wants out and wants to play for a Canadian playoff team.

He doesn't have much value, but he has earned the right to go to a different team even if it's not going to return picks for Chicago.

How does this help Calgary's cap situation? Calgary in no way needs forward depth. They need cap room.

It doesn't. That's not the point.

 

[Rangeri]

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

He is 27 year old. Centre. Scored 200 goals and almost 500 points. 1 year left in the contract. Somebody will take him just because of those things.

Like guys. How is it still surprise that general managers think differently? You have seen a lot of bad trades. Like Hamonic one recently.

Flames will get rid of him. They can't get a lot, but the actual cap space will be enough of return to them. But they don't have to put Pelletier or 1st to go with him. Don't be absurd.

 

[Bond]

He is 27 year old. Centre. Scored 200 goals and almost 500 points. 1 year left in the contract. Somebody will take him just because of those things.

Like guys. How is it still surprise that general managers think differently? You have seen a lot of bad trades. Like Hamonic one recently.

Flames will get rid of him. They can't get a lot, but the actual cap space will be enough of return to them. But they don't have to put Pelletier or 1st to go with him. Don't be absurd.

Yup, I think some GM will gamble that he can turn it around. If he had years left on his contract than it would be a different story.

 

[Bond]

And no other GM will help the Flames out of their misery. So it'll end in a buy out and CGY will still get hit by the buyout, and lose key players to UFA (JG) due to the lack of cap space

Lol you are still salty Toffoli didn't return Pelletier

 

[Mobiandi]

No to Toews under any circumstances

 

[gach]

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

This trade was made by a Chicago fan

 

[zar]

He is 27 year old. Centre. Scored 200 goals and almost 500 points. 1 year left in the contract. Somebody will take him just because of those things.

Like guys. How is it still surprise that general managers think differently? You have seen a lot of bad trades. Like Hamonic one recently.

Flames will get rid of him. They can't get a lot, but the actual cap space will be enough of return to them. But they don't have to put Pelletier or 1st to go with him. Don't be absurd.

Stay up late and watch a few Flames games, then come back and delete/edit your post.

To get rid of Monahan would take a lot, but obviously a buyout is the way to go.

 

[Bond]

Stay up late and watch a few Flames games, then come back and delete/edit your post.

To get rid of Monahan would take a lot, but obviously a buyout is the way to go.

Meh, in a world where the OEL and Ristolainen trade went down, some GM will gamble lol

 

[Mersss]

This trade was made by a Chicago fan

Yah and Monahan is returning another big contract.

I was referring to the fact no one would give anythign for him without sending a contract

 

[Double Dion]

The funny thing is that Merss is an Oilers fan. They traded for Duncan Keith who is the decade older defenseman version of Sean Monahan. According to Seravelli less than 2 weeks ago multiple teams were interested in him. I wouldn't be personally, but Seravalli is probably the 2nd most connected rumor guy in the game after Friedman.

 

[Figgy44]

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

It's ironic that you're hinting Flames fans are clueless, when Flames fans didn't create the thread, wondered why the Hawks would do the trade that doesn't seem to benefit them and also commented that the proposed trade doesn't really make sense for the Flames because we need to shed cap this off season to fit in 4-5 extensions/pay raises.

Additionally, we have a good understanding of Monahan's contract situation (2/3 buyout) and disagree that a high cost of Pelletier or a 1st needs to be added to dump him/ and believe the Flames are unwilling to pay that type of price.

If it does truly end up costing that price to dump him, fair and fine. But the Flames aren't backed into a corner, so management would merely buy him out and take a 4 mil cap savings next season and then a 2 mil penalty the season after that and basically sell another player slightly below fair value to make up the remaining cap requirements.

Plan A is shed Monahan's cap hit for a reasonably low price.
Plan B is buy out Monahan and pay a lower fee/cost of moving the salary difference (ie: Dube, Valimaki, Backlund etc.).

Plan B is less desirable than Plan A, but it's a highly legitimate and reasonable move to contemplate.

6.75M$ for a back-up forward... At least Toews can be a serviceable 4th line C winning draw and PKing. Monahan is just plain terrible, in every aspect of the game.

It'll end in a buy out then, cause no team is taking 6.75M$ on their cap. Hell even cap floor team wouldn't want him cause they'd still need to pay him 6M$ in actual money.

Yo, he's owed 6.375. If you're going to be haughty, at least don't make it hilariously ironic when you correct others incorrectly.

 

[koyvoo]

Stay up late and watch a few Flames games, then come back and delete/edit your post.

To get rid of Monahan would take a lot, but obviously a buyout is the way to go.

Flames games are usually over at 11:30pm in the east. Do you really think people are incapable of staying up that late?

I think it’s more difficult, if anything, for westerners to watch games from the east because that would be like after work/dinner time/do the grocery shopping etc time for you guys.

 

[Rangeri]

Stay up late and watch a few Flames games, then come back and delete/edit your post.

To get rid of Monahan would take a lot, but obviously a buyout is the way to go.

I have watched them. But still you are giving way too much credit for the GM people. If you are Oilers fan you should definitely know how incompetent and short sighted general managers really are.

And actually I don't think its even that bad of try. If he gets playing time and can pot like 20-30 goals again then why not to try. Its one year.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Posted this on the Detroit board:

Monahan
2022 2nd
Phillips

For

Dallas 2024 4th
Stephens

 

[InfinityIggy]

No one is taking Monahan at full cap hit unless he comes attached with Pelletier or a 1st rd pick... CGY fans also need to understand that.

Quoting for posterity.

 

[Sweetpotato]

I could absolutely see Calgary being able to move Monohan. A GM would take a flyer for a year.

Edit: I'm not saying it's smart but I could see it.

 

[Double Dion]

I could absolutely see Calgary being able to move Monohan. A GM would take a flyer for a year.

Edit: I'm not saying it's smart but I could see it.

That's how I see it too. One year left and GMs sometimes think someone would fit better in their system. They also likely think they can recoup the asset at the TDL. I wouldn't do it, but someone might.