Prospect Info: Charlie Stramel, C, 21st Overall, 2023 NHL Draft

The CHL has 1,100+ players playing every single season. I imagine their “hit rate” for draft picks is much worse than other leagues.

I don't imagine this at all, but if you find those numbers, share them.

Regardless, CHL is still king in terms of number of players sent to the league. Just look at your breakdown earlier. Something like 50% of our roster comes from the CHL, 50% comes from USNTDP/USHL, NCAA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czechia, or anywhere else combined.

Kucherov played a year in the QHL.

33 games, two seasons after he was drafted, so I didn't count that
 
I don't imagine this at all, but if you find those numbers, share them.

Regardless, CHL is still king in terms of number of players sent to the league. Just look at your breakdown earlier. Something like 50% of our roster comes from the CHL, 50% comes from USNTDP/USHL, NCAA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czechia, or anywhere else combined.
I’m not gonna do hours worth of research and data collection for what will likely be hand waved away.

I think you’ve only proven that a majority of the S tier players come from Canada. Not that the CHL is good at developing players.
 
True.

I would be very curious if we even should throw out the outliers. In a normal study you would, sure, and probably should, but in most scenarios where you'd do a study like that, you're not looking for outliers. In this case, we want the outliers. At least the top end ones.
It would be interesting to see the ratio of how many players, by country, become superstars vs. how many are drafted from those countries. I'd still eliminate the outliers, though, if I wanted to learn which developmental system is preferable for creating basic NHLers.
Kaprizov being a superstar shouldn’t be used against him. He developed in a non-CHL league. A better comparison would be looking at the Wild’s CHL 1st round picks vs non-CHL 1st round picks.
I'm not using it against Kaprizov, It has nothing to do with him in particular. I'm stating that an outlier coming from Europe's development systems shouldn't be used against Canada's. This is all kind of moot, though, given the lack of sample size that the Wild's lineup can offer. I don't think anything definitive can be gleaned from looking at just the Wild's current players.
 
I'm not using it against Kaprizov, It has nothing to do with him in particular. I'm stating that an outlier coming from Europe's development systems shouldn't be used against Canada's. This is all kind of moot, though, given the lack of sample size that the Wild's lineup can offer. I don't think anything definitive can be gleaned from looking at just the Wild's current players.
Just feels convenient without sound reasoning. It’s not like Kaprizov was some top 10 pick in his draft (like most of whom AKL brought up). He was a late round pick that developed in the KHL
 
I'm not counting 22 games as a 15 year old as a year in any way. He's in his 4th CHL season, and currently in his D+2. Plenty of players have bucked the idea of this being a huge problem development. A year in Europe isn't going to take him from a non-NHLer to a 2nd liner. He'll be what he'll be.
 
I'm not counting 22 games as a 15 year old as a year in any way. He's in his 4th CHL season, and currently in his D+2. Plenty of players have bucked the idea of this being a huge problem development. A year in Europe isn't going to take him from a non-NHLer to a 2nd liner. He'll be what he'll be.
Actually, you’d think the dissenting voices for Stramel (to stay on topic), whom said that Stramel developed majorly only at MSU and didn’t develop at all at Wisconsin, would be wishing that the NCAA-CHL ruling happened a year earlier. Heidt could have played NCAA hockey without much culture shock. Step up in level of play and a better development league for facing bigger, stronger, and older players.
 
I'd still eliminate the outliers, though, if I wanted to learn which developmental system is preferable for creating basic NHLers.

Well again, not very scientific, and prone to inaccuracies, but if half our team is from the CHL alone, and we don't even really draft out of the CHL, think that says a lot about what the CHL is doing. I can't really imagine any other countries "hit rate" is higher, even if "hit rate" mattered in the slightest.
 
Well again, not very scientific, and prone to inaccuracies, but if half our team is from the CHL alone, and we don't even really draft out of the CHL, think that says a lot about what the CHL is doing. I can't really imagine any other countries "hit rate" is higher, even if "hit rate" mattered in the slightest.
But it’s also not the point of the conversation. Heidt playing another year in the WHL is a joke. That’s the point.
 
But it’s also not the point of the conversation. Heidt playing another year in the WHL is a joke. That’s the point.

We're talking about whether players can develop in the CHL, no?

I've said my piece about how Heidt should have been granted an exception to join the AHL team. I have nothing else to say at this point with the season over halfway done and it not being relevant next year.

We're looking at guys who developed in the CHL. So here's an even better sample than the top 15 scorers in the league, it's the current 101st-150th ranked scorers in the league:

CHL: 22
USHL (including USNTDP) (most of these then went NCAA): 9
Sweden: 6
Finland: 4
Russia: 3
USHS (again, most played some NCAA): 3
Germany: 1
BCHL (then NCAA): 1
OJHL (then NCAA): 1

I'm guessing this trend that's now true for 1-15 and 101-150 would hold true at pretty much any cross section/sample you look at. CHL still produces something close to 45% of all NHL players.

So no, I can't say playing in the CHL this year is going to prevent Heidt from becoming a player, or that the CHL can't develop players. For the record, a majority of the CHL players go from 2/3/4 years in the CHL, almost straight to the NHL.

CHL is fine, Heidt will or won't be an NHL player, but it won't be because he's in the CHL.
 
Heidt got screwed by his age and the AHL, just like Stramel got screwed by his age and USNTDP. The answer still isn't "oh, just go to Europe" like he's open-enrolling from Chanhassen to Minnetonka.
 
I've said my piece about how Heidt should have been granted an exception to join the AHL team. I have nothing else to say at this point with the season over halfway done and it not being relevant next year.

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So no, I can't say playing in the CHL this year is going to prevent Heidt from becoming a player, or that the CHL can't develop players. For the record, a majority of the CHL players go from 2/3/4 years in the CHL, almost straight to the NHL.

CHL is fine, Heidt will or won't be an NHL player, but it won't be because he's in the CHL.
I wish I had this level of okay with a stagnant development year. What exactly is Heidt learning in year 4 of the WHL?
 
I wish I had this level of okay with a stagnant development year. What exactly is Heidt learning in year 4 of the WHL?

What do you want me to do about it? If me being vocal about my dislike of him being forced back into the WHL this season would change anything, he already wouldn't be there. What am I supposed to do?
 
What do you want me to do about it? If me being vocal about my dislike of him being forced back into the WHL this season would change anything, he already wouldn't be there. What am I supposed to do?
I'm not frustrated with you, just the situation. To tie this back to thread topic, Stramel was pretty stagnant his 2 years with Wisconsin. He went somewhere where he would be able to develop every part of his game (from faceoffs, to power play, to penalty kill, to facing better competition and everything inbetween). Just wish that Heidt would have done the same.
 
I'm not frustrated with you, just the situation. To tie this back to thread topic, Stramel was pretty stagnant his 2 years with Wisconsin. He went somewhere where he would be able to develop every part of his game (from faceoffs, to power play, to penalty kill, to facing better competition and everything inbetween). Just wish that Heidt would have done the same.

I wish he would have been allowed to make a good decision though. He should have been allowed to join Iowa, where we could prioritize his development. Going across the world to a Euro team that has no vested interest in him as a player carries a lot of risk, and I don't think the reward really outweighs it.

I'm glad Stramel was able to find a better situation for his own development. I don't think Heidt ever really had the option.
 
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