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Prospect Info: Charlie Stramel, C, 21st Overall, 2023 NHL Draft

I hate when people use playing in the CHL as a negative, as if most of the NHL players still don't come from there. There's developmental value to having the puck a lot too.
 
Heidt's another guy I don't hate (actually I'm pretty excited about him), I just have additional questions about him that I don't about the top-of-the-pool players due to his playing against CHL competition only so far. I don't think he's a Beckman or Khovanov, but you really don't know for sure until they play at the next level. On my list you could order the tiers as "guys I think have high upside and I'm pretty certain will play in the NHL", followed by "guys I think will play in the NHL but I'm unsure how high their upside is", followed by "guys who may have high upside, but I'm also not sure if they'll make it to the NHL or not". Heidt and Stramel fall into that category; I just have to wait and see.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I hate when people use playing in the CHL as a negative, as if most of the NHL players still don't come from there. There's developmental value to having the puck a lot too.
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Last part is definitely true. But when a guy plays 5 seasons in a league where he was already nearly PPG in his 2nd season, it’s fair to question whether a move to Europe might be in order.
 
MNRube said:
Last part is definitely true. But when a guy plays 5 seasons in a league where he was already nearly PPG in his 2nd season, it’s fair to question whether a move to Europe might be in order.
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I'm pretty sure that list has exactly 1 person on it, outside of the Covid years, but you can check me on that. I don't really think it's a fair question at all.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I'm pretty sure that list has exactly 1 person on it, outside of the Covid years, but you can check me on that. I don't really think it's a fair question at all.
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That’s true, and also why fans whine about the CHL/AHL problem. I don’t blame Heidt, I just lament the lack of options for a player in his position. There is also the fact that the Wild have mostly had European and American prospects in our system. We aren’t used to it
 
DANOZ28 said:
hey nino, we also had mcbain even if he never played for us. im glad stramel is showing a pulse however he still could be mcbain 2.0
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I mean McBain, but on the Wild wouldn't be a bad outcome. To me, based on not a lot of evidence McBain doesn't play the same defensively responsible physical game that Stramel plays but I'm willing to be wrong because I have not seen either play except highlights lol

DANOZ28 said:
if heidt & stramel are on the 3rd line who plays center? i think heidt's the better center and stramel is the better rw.
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If it's a Coyle situation that's fine with me. Allows Stramel to play more physical off the wall and Heidt to play in the middle of the ice.
 
DANOZ28 said:
if heidt & stramel are on the 3rd line who plays center? i think heidt's the better center and stramel is the better rw.
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Based on what? Heidt seems more like a high skill winger type than a center.
Dr Jan Itor said:
I hate when people use playing in the CHL as a negative, as if most of the NHL players still don't come from there. There's developmental value to having the puck a lot too.
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Former badger Tyson Jugnauth is top 10 in scoring for the WHL. That just seems crazy to me. I put little stock into CHL stats.

It’s interesting to see which players on our current roster played in the CHL. Quick glance shows Rossi, Gaudreau, Foligno, Middleton, Hartman, Spurgeon, Bogosian, Chisholm, Trenin, Lauko (1 season), and Fleury.

Non-CHL: Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, Faber, Brodin, Jiricek, Zuccarello, Johansson, Merrill, Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Gustavsson, and Wallstedt.

Such a stark contrast between the two groups lol
 
DigitalBoldy said:


Goal sequence starts at 9:31
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Nice shootin', Tex.
DigitalBoldy said:
Based on what? Heidt seems more like a high skill winger type than a center.

Former badger Tyson Jugnauth is top 10 in scoring for the WHL. That just seems crazy to me. I put little stock into CHL stats.

It’s interesting to see which players on our current roster played in the CHL. Quick glance shows Rossi, Gaudreau, Foligno, Middleton, Hartman, Spurgeon, Bogosian, Chisholm, Trenin, Lauko (1 season), and Fleury.

Non-CHL: Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, Faber, Brodin, Jiricek, Zuccarello, Johansson, Merrill, Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Gustavsson, and Wallstedt.

Such a stark contrast between the two groups lol
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Ehh? If you remove Kaprizov as the insane outlier he is, I think the groups are fairly close. The first group has a guy who has been a long-time top pairing defenseman, has a high-end #2 or low end #1 center, and a soon-to-be HHOF goalie. The second group has a current top-pairing defenseman, a high-end #2 or low end #1 center, and a potential future starting goalie (potential isn't worth as much as history in this particular argument as this argument allots for what players once were and could be, not currently are, though I'd certainly take potential over history when roster-building for the future). The second group is a little better as it also has a "non-play driving" scoring winger who belongs in the top-6 for probably any team in the league, and another top-ish pairing defenseman, but I wouldn't say it's some vast amount better, so much so that it means something.

(Sorry bud, I couldn't resist the description of Boldy.)
 
BagHead said:
(Sorry bud, I couldn't resist the description of Boldy.)
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Thought you were talking about Zucc until I read this comment XD

I also don’t understand how you can toss Kaprizov out from the second group as outlier and then keep Spurgeon in the first group. They are both late round picks that became top of the lineup players.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Thought you were talking about Zucc until I read this comment XD

I also don’t understand how you can toss Kaprizov out from the second group as outlier and then keep Spurgeon in the first group. They are both late round picks that became top of the lineup players.
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Spurgeon has never been confused as a superstar is how. I didn't throw out Kaprizov because of his draft position, I threw out Kaprizov because getting a player of that caliber is extremely rare regardless of which league they come out of. Like, once every 25-50 years rare. If we were comparing this for the Avalanche, I would have thrown out MacKinnon, and he was drafted 1st overall. I would do that when considering the drafting of any team that has a superstar. Really, I should do it for all groups, period, removing the top and bottom player or two, to see how well the normal players turn out, and I would if I were doing an actual study on it. But I'm not there... yet.
 
BagHead said:
Some teams don't get them at all (Jets/Coyotes/Utah HC, Nashvillle, Florida maybe but you can make an argument, Columbus, Buffalo since the 90s).
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True.

I would be very curious if we even should throw out the outliers. In a normal study you would, sure, and probably should, but in most scenarios where you'd do a study like that, you're not looking for outliers. In this case, we want the outliers. At least the top end ones.
 
BagHead said:
Spurgeon has never been confused as a superstar is how. I didn't throw out Kaprizov because of his draft position, I threw out Kaprizov because getting a player of that caliber is extremely rare regardless of which league they come out of. Like, once every 25-50 years rare. If we were comparing this for the Avalanche, I would have thrown out MacKinnon, and he was drafted 1st overall. I would do that when considering the drafting of any team that has a superstar. Really, I should do it for all groups, period, removing the top and bottom player or two, to see how well the normal players turn out, and I would if I were doing an actual study on it. But I'm not there... yet.
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Kaprizov being a superstar shouldn’t be used against him. He developed in a non-CHL league. A better comparison would be looking at the Wild’s CHL 1st round picks vs non-CHL 1st round picks.
 
Current top 15 point producers in the league:

MacKinnon: QMJHL
Draisaitl: WHL
Kucherov: KHL/MHL
Marner: OHL
McDavid: OHL
Rantanen: Liiga
Connor: USHL
Eichel: USNTDP/NCAA
Pastrnak: Allsvenskan/J20 SuperElit
Konecny: OHL
J. Hughes: USNTDP
Necas: Czechia
Scheifele: OHL/GOJHL
Raymond: SHL/J20 SuperElite
Makar: NCAA/AJHL

So CHL vs non-CHL is 6 vs. 9

But breaking down by each league/country:

CHL: 6
Russia: 1
Sweden: 2
Finland: 1
Czechia: 1
USNTDP/USHL: 3 (inc. Eichel)
NCAA: 1 (Makar)

CHL is still king
 
AKL said:
Current top 15 point producers in the league:

MacKinnon: QMJHL
Draisaitl: WHL
Kucherov: KHL/MHL
Marner: OHL
McDavid: OHL
Rantanen: Liiga
Connor: USHL
Eichel: USNTDP/NCAA
Pastrnak: Allsvenskan/J20 SuperElit
Konecny: OHL
J. Hughes: USNTDP
Necas: Czechia
Scheifele: OHL/GOJHL
Raymond: SHL/J20 SuperElite
Makar: NCAA/AJHL

So CHL vs non-CHL is 6 vs. 9

But breaking down by each league/country:

CHL: 6
Russia: 1
Sweden: 2
Finland: 1
Czechia: 1
USNTDP/USHL: 3 (inc. Eichel)
NCAA: 1 (Makar)

CHL is still king
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The CHL has 1,100+ players playing every single season. I imagine their “hit rate” for draft picks is much worse than other leagues.
 
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