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22Brad Park said:
He not no premier right shot D man, to me ..He contributes nothing on offense essentially killing your entire pairing .Far as killing penalties goes,yea he plays alot there, but Bruins pk is bad.Could be an outlier as you alluded to though so I concede that.If he is premier D man and cheap as you stated then he should fetch a big haul which is exactly what this franchise needs more of at this point in time.Anyhow , the deadline is coming up fast so things will be answered.
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I’m not a Carlo fan boy at all.

But, he has averaged +17 per 82 games in his career despite getting absolutely buried in the D zone outside of the Krug years.

Even this year, when Lindholm was in the lineup the Bruins had 66% of the goal share with that pairing on the ice and were playing very well across all the fancy and not fancy metrics despite the team being bad.

But yeah since Lindholm has been out Carlo has been a mess with Zadorov, Lorhei, Wotherspoon, etc.

I think the most interesting datapoint is the giveaways. Before Lindholm was injured, Carlo was averaging 3.5 giveaways per 60. Since, it has been 4.7. Carlo’s career average is 1.35. What the f*** is that? Is he trying to make more plays because the team sucks offensively? Is he being forced to take more of a lead in trying to move the puck because of his partners? Is the team just too slow and unskilled to cover the warts of such a one way player?

With Carlo being under 30, you would think it’s more mental or role than physical.

All that being said, I do think you need to swap Carlo or Peeke for someone with more two way value on this Bruins roster and Carlo would be the more valuable chip.
 
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wintersej said:
I’m not a Carlo fan boy at all.

But, he has averaged +17 per 82 games in his career despite getting absolutely buried in the D zone outside of the Krug years.

Even this year, when Lindholm was in the lineup the Bruins had 66% of the goal share with that pairing on the ice and were playing very well across all the fancy and not fancy metrics despite the team being bad.

But yeah since Lindholm has been out Carlo has been a mess with Zadorov, Lorhei, Wotherspoon, etc.

I think the most interesting datapoint is the giveaways. Before Lindholm was injured, Carlo was averaging 3.5 giveaways per 60. Since, it has been 4.7. Carlo’s career average is 1.35. What the f*** is that? Is he trying to make more plays because the team sucks offensively? Is he being forced to take more of a lead in trying to move the puck because of his partners? Is the team just too slow and unskilled to cover the warts of such a one way player?

With Carlo being under 30, you would think it’s more mental or role than physical.

All that being said, I do think you need to swap Carlo or Peeke for someone with more two way value on this Bruins roster and Carlo would be the more valuable chip.
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This is really the first year I`ve had an issue with Carlo, I`d move him but it would have to be a hockey trade where the B`s get in return another teams top 4 D man which won`t happen
 
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wintersej said:
I’m not a Carlo fan boy at all.

But, he has averaged +17 per 82 games in his career despite getting absolutely buried in the D zone outside of the Krug years.

Even this year, when Lindholm was in the lineup the Bruins had 66% of the goal share with that pairing on the ice and were playing very well across all the fancy and not fancy metrics despite the team being bad.

But yeah since Lindholm has been out Carlo has been a mess with Zadorov, Lorhei, Wotherspoon, etc.

I think the most interesting datapoint is the giveaways. Before Lindholm was injured, Carlo was averaging 3.5 giveaways per 60. Since, it has been 4.7. Carlo’s career average is 1.35. What the f*** is that? Is he trying to make more plays because the team sucks offensively? Is he being forced to take more of a lead in trying to move the puck because of his partners? Is the team just too slow and unskilled to cover the warts of such a one way player?

With Carlo being under 30, you would think it’s more mental or role than physical.

All that being said, I do think you need to swap Carlo or Peeke for someone with more two way value on this Bruins roster and Carlo would be the more valuable chip.
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I have always been a Carlo supporter, but I have come to the point much like DeBrusk, who I always liked but realize it was time to move on for the benefit of Jake and the team it was time. I have everyone who wants Carlo moved, who takes his place, and no one has come up with am answerer, the reason being, he is still a good defenseman, who is having a down year, he is in his prime, and certainly a contract that would be hard to match. Now the difference between, Carlo and Jake, Jake could walk and did so and the Bruins received nothing, what does anyone else out there suggest the Bruins do with Carlo, and none of this bullshit he sucks, he is soft, put some thought in it, more complicated than many think.
 
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AC joint? I’d imagine that’s the end of his season. I’ve separated that before when I was younger. Took a while to heal. I’d imagine someone in better shape like McAvoy is going to heal quicker but that doesn’t sound promising.
 
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Poor Charlie M. That's a real bummer.

Does anyone remember which shoulder he had surgery on? I'm hoping it was his left.
 
That's the death blow. There's no world where this team is going anywhere with a top pairing of Osterle and Zadorov.

Realistically they probably weren't without the injuries anyway, but now it's just blatantly obvious.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
That's the death blow. There's no world where this team is going anywhere with a top pairing of Osterle and Zadorov.

Realistically they probably weren't without the injuries anyway, but now it's just blatantly obvious.
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That's the sort of top pair that Columbus or Minny would have had in 2000 after the expansion draft.
 
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Healthy Wrap said:
When the Bruins inevitably miss the playoffs, you just know Cam and Don are going to point to the McAvoy and Lindholm injuries as the reason why. Which will be completely disingenuous to any fan with functioning eyeballs.
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Of course they will .That said though ,there will be lots of eyes on them at this deadline and off season.The Bruins are an absolute mess top to bottom and it's on those 2 the most.
 
Healthy Wrap said:
When the Bruins inevitably miss the playoffs, you just know Cam and Don are going to point to the McAvoy and Lindholm injuries as the reason why. Which will be completely disingenuous to any fan with functioning eyeballs.
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Yeah missing their top two defensemen would have nothing to do with it. :laugh:

Blitzkrug said:
That's the death blow. There's no world where this team is going anywhere with a top pairing of Osterle and Zadorov.

Realistically they probably weren't without the injuries anyway, but now it's just blatantly obvious.
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Might score some cheap seats this year. Easier to bring the family and have a night.
 
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Healthy Wrap said:
25th in the league in goals per game and they haven't sustained a single meaningful injury to the forward group. The roster sucks.
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Yea ,I am with you. Even with those 2 D men they are not a good team .Changes are needed and if Sweenious can't fix it then he should be fired..Huge deadline and off season coming.The Bruins will either be on road to recovery or buried even deeper 🤔
 
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Interesting verbiage in the recent statement. Seems like they call out "Boston Bruins Medical staff" very clearly and deliberately. I can imagine the Bruins are NOT happy with the team USA medical staff. Especially if the injury happened in the Finland game and then he played in the Canada game.

I wonder how this impacts teams willing to release their players for this tournament if they choose to do it again after the Olympics.. Back to square one with NHL players on the international stage...

Hope Chuckie gets well soon.
 
DKH said:
Wow

Probably done for season

Between Hampus & Charlie injuries took the Bruins down and killed their playoff chances

Time to sell
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I think those injuries obviously hurt, but surprisingly their record without McAvoy in the line-up is way better than bad 99-53-19 and Lindholm was in the line-up early when the bruins got off to a terrible start, leading to the firing of Montgomery.

Imo you can chalk this season failure, up to terrible roster construction. Its filled with a whole lot of mediocre forwards (3rd & 4th liners) outside of Pasta and Marchand, there isn't one player who's a legit top six.

You can add to that the Bruins didn't get the stellar goaltending they've been use to in years past until recently, but this teams fall in the standings, has more to do than just losing McAvoy and Lindholm, way more.

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ODAAT said:
This is really the first year I`ve had an issue with Carlo, I`d move him but it would have to be a hockey trade where the B`s get in return another teams top 4 D man which won`t happen
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Players do have off years. We don't really know what's going on with him. I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
 
Bruin4 said:
I think those injuries obviously hurt, but surprisingly their record without McAvoy in the line-up is way better than bad 99-53-19 and Lindholm was in the line-up early when the bruins got off to a terrible start, leading to the firing of Montgomery.

Imo you can shock this season failure, up to terrible roster construction. Its filled with a whole lot of mediocre forwards (3rd & 4th liners) outside of Pasta and Marchand, there isn't one player who's a legit top six.

You can add to that the Bruins didn't get the stellar goaltending they've been use to in years past until recently, but this teams fall in the standings, has more to do than just losing McAvoy and Lindholm, way more.

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Kind of like Leafs record without Matthews.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
That's the death blow. There's no world where this team is going anywhere with a top pairing of Osterle and Zadorov.

Realistically they probably weren't without the injuries anyway, but now it's just blatantly obvious.
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Isn't Lindholm ready to go after the 4 nations tournament ?
 
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