Bad advice from his agent that back fired I'm starting think.Attempt (success) to "shoot his way out of town"?
Bad advice from his agent that back fired I'm starting think.Attempt (success) to "shoot his way out of town"?
Ummmmm Ryan had plenty opportunity to prove why he should stay with big club.I don't think it's nearly as bad as you portray it to be honest. He's a kid, he wanted to play, felt he had enough offensive upside to warrant playing, yet the organization wanted him to be a complete player before he was truthfully given a shot. They're doing the same thing to Senyshyn right now. That guy probably has the offensive ability to contribute in some manner to the big team, yet he won't see the ice for them until the organization deems him not a liability on the defensive side.
It's frustrating to me as a fan because I see guys that could easily do more than a Backes or Nordstrom, yet they don't get the chance. It's even more frustrating when other teams seemingly have the ability to integrate young offensive minded players into the mix, while working with them behind the scenes to improve their overall game. But not here. It's why I used to laugh at the posters who were mad the team didn't draft Barzal, because in reality if they had, he'd probably still be working on his 200 foot game in Providence.
I honestly think this is an organizational issue, with the team trying to manufacture the next Patrice Bergeron instead of letting young players play to their strengths.
This is where I disagree where the Bruins are at.Cap friendly server is down for maintenance at moment.Bruins got to pay McAvoy and Carlo for sure soon.Chara no doubt gonna bind us down for 3 or 4 million.And Stone will be on market come July 1st is a good bet and Sweeney will no doubt want a crack at him.If Bruins take on more salary long-term now it will really tighten things up.They got Coyle and it was a solid move so I do not see the big deal adding a rental.Its ties Bruins to nothing but helps right now.
Ummmmm Ryan had plenty opportunity to prove why he should stay with big club.
It will be interesting (but not surprising) to see if this move generates as much consternation as the Spooner trade. Let's remember how that turned out for Spooner. Looked great for 15 games with the Rangers now on third team, counting AHL, since Rangers dealt him and probably only getting that chance because of Benning. Donato could easily follow suit,
I don't think it's nearly as bad as you portray it to be honest. He's a kid, he wanted to play, felt he had enough offensive upside to warrant playing, yet the organization wanted him to be a complete player before he was truthfully given a shot. They're doing the same thing to Senyshyn right now. That guy probably has the offensive ability to contribute in some manner to the big team, yet he won't see the ice for them until the organization deems him not a liability on the defensive side.
It's frustrating to me as a fan because I see guys that could easily do more than a Backes or Nordstrom, yet they don't get the chance. It's even more frustrating when other teams seemingly have the ability to integrate young offensive minded players into the mix, while working with them behind the scenes to improve their overall game. But not here. It's why I used to laugh at the posters who were mad the team didn't draft Barzal, because in reality if they had, he'd probably still be working on his 200 foot game in Providence.
I honestly think this is an organizational issue, with the team trying to manufacture the next Patrice Bergeron instead of letting young players play to their strengths.
David Pastrnak says hiI don't know if Donato will ever be a top line talent and I really don't care if he doesn't. I just find it odd that this organization continually chokes on integrating young offensive minded players into their roster for some reason.
Charlie McAvoy says heyI don't know if Donato will ever be a top line talent and I really don't care if he doesn't. I just find it odd that this organization continually chokes on integrating young offensive minded players into their roster for some reason.
Typical. Here comes the anti Donato campaign. Why not just enjoy the Bruins who are playing great?
he played his heart out for team USA in the Olympics what a loser!!! if the Bruins couldnt get that out of him and Minnesota does, the coaching is responsible.
If Donato playing well 1 game is irking some ego's here thats sad.
My question and we all do not know the answer to this, is was he listening to the coaches and adjusting his game to what they wanted from him. He was not going to be on the roster with his skill set as is.46 games over 2 seasons in enough time to you? Especially if you're not being put in a position to succeed?
Hell, he wasn't even playing his natural position during that time. You don't think him playing off position, and being told to play a certain way resulted in him overthinking and trying not to make a mistake? You honestly can't play that way. You have to play and react without worrying about getting sat if you make a mistake, but that's not how it is here. Here, you need to play a complete 200 foot game. That's why he said it was nice to be trusted and to play his game.
David Pastrnak says hi
You are still operationg under the Claude (sit the kids) Julien mentality that does not exist anymore.Yeah, and how did his first couple of years go here? Was he given free rein? I mean crap, his rookie season they loaned him out to his junior team. And that's all of one example. There are plenty of others that can be thrown out as a counter point. Kessel. Seguin. Wheeler. Hamilton. Krug. I could go on and on if you'd like. Organizationally, I think it's an issue and an area they can absolutely improve on.
So happy for Ryan on his Minnesota debut. He has a bright future in this league and I look forward to seeing his exploits.
Charlie Coyle will be a valuable addition to the roster. And we can still enjoy a healthy Anders Bjork and his skill on the wing for next season.
My question and we all do not know the answer to this, is was he listening to the coaches and adjusting his game to what they wanted from him. He was not going to be on the roster with his skill set as is.
Yeah, and how did his first couple of years go here? Was he given free rein? I mean crap, his rookie season they loaned him out to his junior team. And that's all of one example. There are plenty of others that can be thrown out as a counter point. Kessel. Seguin. Wheeler. Hamilton. Krug. I could go on and on if you'd like. Organizationally, I think it's an issue and an area they can absolutely improve on.
46 games over 2 seasons in enough time to you? Especially if you're not being put in a position to succeed?
Hell, he wasn't even playing his natural position during that time. You don't think him playing off position, and being told to play a certain way resulted in him overthinking and trying not to make a mistake? You honestly can't play that way. You have to play and react without worrying about getting sat if you make a mistake, but that's not how it is here. Here, you need to play a complete 200 foot game. That's why he said it was nice to be trusted and to play his game.
Time will tell I guess. Lets see what he does over the next couple of years.Well that's the million dollar question. I would say that as a young guy he's watching and seeing guys like Bjork, Heinan, JFK, and Colby Cave all getting better chances than him and you have to wonder why. He clearly needs to round out his game, but I simply see it as a short coming of the front office right now. And it's not specific to Donato.
Donato had 11 goals in his first 46 hockey games. He project as a 20 goal scorer for his first 82 games. Might even improve on that. Bruins were patient with Heinen same logic could have been applied to Donato.
You are still operationg under the Claude (sit the kids) Julien mentality that does not exist anymore.
Charlie McAvoy says hey
It goes without saying that Charlie Coyle is pumped to be a member of the Boston Bruins.
That's not much of a stretch for a kid that grew up in East Weymouth, played at Boston University and was a diehard Bruins fan growing up as a kid on the South Shore. So getting traded to the B's from the Minnesota Wild in exchange for Ryan Donato and a conditional fifth-round pick was welcome news for the 26-year-old Coyle earlier this week.
After watching his friend Chris Wagner go through all the fun of playing for his hometown team after signing with the Bruins last summer, Wagner's former South Shore Kings teammate is going to get to do the same thing as he joins fellow Massachusetts kids in Wagner and Matt Grzelcyk on the Bruins roster.
"When you're a little kid playing and fall in love with the game, you've got the big dreams and you want to play. I'm watching more Bruins games growing up in the Boston area, so that's what you envision when you're playing street hockey in your house or in practice or just skating on the pond when you're younger," said Coyle. "You envision you're playing for the hometown team, and I definitely did some of that when I was younger. So obviously it's a cool moment right now. I don't think it's fully hit me."
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Coyle didn't really have a strong grasp on where he's going to fit in with the Bruins for the final quarter of the season this year, but it seems pretty clear based on Don Sweeney's comments that he's going to be the third line center for the Black and Gold.
"I'm going to talk to the coach a little more, and see what his thoughts are, and share our opinions back and forth. [We'll] see where I can best fit in and help the team, so we'll hit that when it comes. It's really an exciting time," said Coyle, who has 10 goals and 28 points in 60 games this season bouncing between center and right wing. "You dream of this when you're younger, and to come back home and play. I remember how excited Chris Wagner was this summer when he signed with the Bruins.
"It was a cool feeling for me to watch him feel that way. You kind of envision what it would be like for yourself. To go through that now is really exciting, and all my family's excited. I get to see them a little more, and I think it's going to be a really great experience."
Coyle will have to wait a few games for his Bruins debut on the home ice at TD Garden, but is expected to be in the lineup and ready to play when the B's face off against the red-hot St. Louis Blues on Saturday afternoon. But the Bruins are excited to get the big, strong and fast forward into their lineup to help finally stabilize a third line that's been in flux all season, and perhaps bring out even more from the talented Coyle than ever seemed to happen in Minnesota with the Wild.
Exactly. And what was the difference between Donato and Heinen? Heinen played a better 200 foot game.