Proposal: Chariot & Debrusk

Dr Quincy

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Translation - He is not a good player and you have not watched DeBrusk lately
34 pts in his last 88 games.

Any coach who ignores 84 of those games to focus on the last 4 would be an idiot. I mean, if you want to do that "not a good player Chiarot" has the same number of pts in his last 3 games as Patrice Bergeron.

So maybe your small sample size considerations are just rather a silly way to judge value.
 

habsfan44

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Chiarot is worth a 1st on his own.

No waynis DeBrusk worth a 1st + 2nd lol
I wouldn't be able to say that with any degree of certainty , while it's possible that some desperate G.M. pays that price I think it's more likely that Chiarot with 50% retained goes for a solid prospect using Heinemann as an example plus a second or third round pick depending on the quality of the prospect . I have no idea why some think he'll get nearly as much as a top six forward on a good contract with term(Toffoli) but stranger things have happened at the deadline .
 

Mick Riddleton

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34 pts in his last 88 games.

Any coach who ignores 84 of those games to focus on the last 4 would be an idiot. I mean, if you want to do that "not a good player Chiarot" has the same number of pts in his last 3 games as Patrice Bergeron.

So maybe your small sample size considerations are just rather a silly way to judge value.

Chairot takes a lot of penalties, he puts his team in a bind a lot and is not worth a 1st for a soon to be 31 year old. He is as good as Weber can carry him, without Weber = not so good.
Anyways no way those teams even trade with each other.
 
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Mick Riddleton

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Jake is really showing his value now that he gets to play with legit players on the top line after his hattrick last night. The stats you cherry picked of him the last year and this are based on Jake being on the 3rd and 4th line and sat by Cassidy. He was clearly mentally effected by Covid and did not play not much on the powerplay, that all contributed to his decline for that time period. That and having lingering effects from the Kadri concussion hit. It takes some players a few years to get over them, that was the case for Eriksson.

Also the Bergeron having as many pts as Chiarot lately is laughable. Those games were his first few games back after Sid slew footed him accidentally, he seemed to play tentatively. There were fears it was his 5th concussion and a career ender. I would be timid in my next few games back, adding Pastrnak is no longer on the top line but it was Craig Smith, who this year has been not been good.

If Boston is going to give up a first it will not be for a soon to be 31 year old. Would you not rather use that on a 23 year old Jakob Chychrun or what they really need - Hertl. This talk of Chiarot is not good at all for a 1st round pick in a deep draft. He is not the game changer they desire, a nice piece for sure and someone else may give them a first, just not seeing it for Boston.
 
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Kocur Dill

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I can't figure out why Montreal would do this?

iirc, while with NYR Gorton seemed to always be casting his bait whenever Debrusk's name came up as not-off-the-table when traditional acquisition periods came about.

In the end, even if MTL doesn't need a LW, Gorton is going to move guys in and out over the next two seasons to mold the team into what he feels fits his criteria whether it looks right on paper immediately or not.
 

Mick Riddleton

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iirc, while with NYR Gorton seemed to always be casting his bait whenever Debrusk's name came up as not-off-the-table when traditional acquisition periods came about.

In the end, even if MTL doesn't need a LW, Gorton is going to move guys in and out over the next two seasons to mold the team into what he feels fits his criteria whether it looks right on paper immediately or not.
Probably not good trade partners but Jake is playing Right Wing with the top line now and he looks very good. He was great on the powerplay a few yes ago but has been in Cassidy's doghouse.
 
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I really don’t think this recent streak of production moves the needle on what NHL GMs perceived DeBrusk’s value was a few weeks ago.
 

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Looks like another idea where both sides say no. Bruins not interested in Chiarot and the Habs don't really need Debrusk for our rebuild years.

I do like both players though. Just not a fit for both teams.
 

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DeBrusk has been finding production over the last 5 games and those 9 points definitely makes his season look much better. If that stays he'll probably draw some interest and get a Bruins a decent return, but I'd be very concerned if my team made traded away a potential player that could get a potential late 1st/couple of picks/good prospect, and then give up another early second on top of that.
 

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No bleeping way Boston would ever do this
 

Kocur Dill

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DeBrusk has been finding production over the last 5 games and those 9 points definitely makes his season look much better. If that stays he'll probably draw some interest and get a Bruins a decent return, but I'd be very concerned if my team made traded away a potential player that could get a potential late 1st/couple of picks/good prospect, and then give up another early second on top of that.

I wonder if Louie Lams sends and offer to Boston. DeBrusk seems like a move he would have made in his Devils days.

Kid is young enough to retool that team for another run under Trotz. Just gotta move out some of the stale components in the room and get some new blood in that will buy into the program.
 

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Jake is really showing his value now that he gets to play with legit players on the top line after his hattrick last night. The stats you cherry picked of him the last year and this are based on Jake being on the 3rd and 4th line and sat by Cassidy. He was clearly mentally effected by Covid and did not play not much on the powerplay, that all contributed to his decline for that time period. That and having lingering effects from the Kadri concussion hit. It takes some players a few years to get over them, that was the case for Eriksson.

Also the Bergeron having as many pts as Chiarot lately is laughable. Those games were his first few games back after Sid slew footed him accidentally, he seemed to play tentatively. There were fears it was his 5th concussion and a career ender. I would be timid in my next few games back, adding Pastrnak is no longer on the top line but it was Craig Smith, who this year has been not been good.

If Boston is going to give up a first it will not be for a soon to be 31 year old. Would you not rather use that on a 23 year old Jakob Chychrun or what they really need - Hertl. This talk of Chiarot is not good at all for a 1st round pick in a deep draft. He is not the game changer they desire, a nice piece for sure and someone else may give them a first, just not seeing it for Boston.
You think Boston 1st can be the center piece for a Hertl or Chychrun deal...? That's very hopeful to say the least.
 
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DeBrusk is nothing special and especially would not warrant adding a second to add him.
 

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I have no interest in Chiarot.

The Bruins are already one of the best defensive team in the NHL, they need to use DeBrusk to get a center.
 

Mick Riddleton

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You think Boston 1st can be the center piece for a Hertl or Chychrun deal...? That's very hopeful to say the least.
When did I say that is the proposed deal, my point was it would be better than wasting it on a guy like Chiarot in a deep draft. Why waste it on a 31 year old. Pretend Chiarot is not on your team - would you give up that 1st round pick for Chiarot or would you rather package that for younger more dynamic players like Hertl or Chychrun. We all know the answer, lets not play games here. A guy like Chiarot can be had anytime, those other guys are game changers.
 

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When did I say that is the proposed deal, my point was it would be better than wasting it on a guy like Chiarot in a deep draft. Why waste it on a 31 year old. Pretend Chiarot is not on your team - would you give up that 1st round pick for Chiarot or would you rather package that for younger more dynamic players like Hertl or Chychrun. We all know the answer, lets not play games here. A guy like Chiarot can be had anytime, those other guys are game changers.
Sure I'd also like to package a late first for McDavid too but it's a pipe dream... if Chiarot was a Bruins would love him
 

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I have no interest in Chiarot.

The Bruins are already one of the best defensive team in the NHL, they need to use DeBrusk to get a center.
You mean like another cap dump C right? Cause no team is giving the B's a good C for a winger cap dump
 

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You think Boston 1st can be the center piece for a Hertl or Chychrun deal...? That's very hopeful to say the least.
These two players absolutely have different price tags. One has contract left on a decent cap hit for the player the other is a UFA so your post is backasswards one of these guys will be centred around a first with a prospect. The other they will still ask for the first with a better prospect maybe two and probably a player on the upswing. So it’s not hopeful ..it’s basically an automatic the first will be moving in a deal for either of these players just different prices.
 
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Mick Riddleton

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Sure I'd also like to package a late first for McDavid too but it's a pipe dream... if Chiarot was a Bruins would love him
Not saying Chiarot would not be good but you only have one 1st round pick to play with. Bruins need to go big or not go at all. Habs will get the 1st round pick for him from the Leafs or someone else. I would be happy if a guy like Chiarot is all the Bruins need but sadly they need more. The have a recent history of giving up that pick and the cupboard needs some higher end talent.

Krecji left and Bergeron is near the end, a guy like Hertl would be perfect and Pasta and him are buddies. Hertl may not even get moved but that pick should go for a top line Centreman, or young #2 Left dee partner for McAvoy. By the way the Bruins are probably going to be middle of the pack so its a mid 1st round pick.

No need to get silly by suggesting McDavid, try and keep reasonable. That 1st round pick is not the whole package, I hope you do not think that is all is needed for those 2 younger guys. That is what is included in the deal plus all the other things they are looking for.
 

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