GWT: Champions League - Knockout Stage

[Chimaera]

2018 is a long way off, but the last time Liverpool went there that was certainly not what I thought.

If anything some of them not getting the calls likely is as much their being young and generally inexperienced. It sucks but that is part of it.

Tbh I think player and who it is matters more than likely any clout of team. Sure, minnow to mega club, I can see it. But superstars get more calls when all things are equal. That’s always been the case.

 

[les Habs]

I told you 3 times. European importance/relevance/history/lobbying....


Totally false.
PSG was never able to spend as much as they wanted.
FFP was on their chops (with much less TV rights).
And of course when all the other leagues could spend like crazy, in France we had DNCG. We've had it for 20+years when la Liga has it since 2 years. It's a huge reason why french clubs didn't develop into financial powers while Spanish or Italian clubs could be in outstanding debts and get away with it.

Oh and the fact French taxes are way bigger than other countries.

Basically you're totally wrong.

PSG are essentially just another Chelsea or Man City, though Chelsea are somewhat different in that they were never held as accountable. There’s a discussion to be had about clubs being able to spend what they want and can afford based on their owners’ investment vs what they earn, but that’s a different discussion. PSG had to artificially inflate revenues (I assume they’re no longer doing this for a while now) in the beginning after the takeover.

As for spending, not being able to spend what you want and still spending a fortune are two different things. Since their last positive net transfer spend in 2019-20 they have spent 582 million net on transfers alone. Since the 2011-12 season they have spent over 1.5 billion net on transfers alone.

 

[les Habs]

On a related note, was just looking at a player on Transfermarkt and their lead article is about wage bills. PSG has the highest wage bill in Europe and it’s 100 million more than #2 Man City’s.

 

[Evilo]

On a related note, was just looking at a player on Transfermarkt and their lead article is about wage bills. PSG has the highest wage bill in Europe and it’s 100 million more than #2 Man City’s.

And again it's just ignoring the taxes.
PSG has to pay way more for the players to get the same salaries as in other countries.

 

[Evilo]

PSG are essentially just another Chelsea or Man City, though Chelsea are somewhat different in that they were never held as accountable. There’s a discussion to be had about clubs being able to spend what they want and can afford based on their owners’ investment vs what they earn, but that’s a different discussion. PSG had to artificially inflate revenues (I assume they’re no longer doing this for a while now) in the beginning after the takeover.

As for spending, not being able to spend what you want and still spending a fortune are two different things. Since their last positive net transfer spend in 2019-20 they have spent 582 million net on transfers alone. Since the 2011-12 season they have spent over 1.5 billion net on transfers alone.

You literally implied PSG could spend as they wanted. Which is not it true.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

And again it's just ignoring the taxes.
PSG has to pay way more for the players to get the same salaries as in other countries.

And they can do it because the Qataris can spend infinite money.

 

[Evilo]

And they can do it because the Qataris can spend infinite money.

No because as written above, the DNCG and FFP didn't allow it.

 

[Evilo]

So I went to the best salary website on the net, capology.
They have updated numbers with everything accounted for.
PSG (4.2) are no more than 4th in total salaries, beaten by City (4,3), Bayern (5,3) and Real (5,2).

 

[les Habs]

And again it's just ignoring the taxes.
PSG has to pay way more for the players to get the same salaries as in other countries.

There is no again as I wasn’t referring to wages initially. On top of that, irrelevant. Doesn’t change the argumen that they’re massive spenders and clearly don’t play under the same rules as clubs from the Premiership and La Liga.

You literally implied PSG could spend as they wanted. Which is not it true.

I literally did not. You just took it that way.

So I went to the best salary website on the net, capology.
They have updated numbers with everything accounted for.
PSG (4.2) are no more than 4th in total salaries, beaten by City (4,3), Bayern (5,3) and Real (5,2).

Not sure what the best salary site is on the net. As I’ve said before, there are different sites that often have contradictory numbers. And Capology itself states they’re just estimates. Despite almost exclusively using Capology myself, not sure why you’d make that statement.

As for the actually numbers, I’m seeing different numbers on Capology. Regardless, having a quick glance at the Transfermarkt article, it says they got the figures from Uefa for whatever that is worth. Personally I don’t take either of them for gospel. All that is clear is that when it comes to wages, PSG again are massive spenders and it’s on top of spending more than almost every club on transfers as well.

 

[bluesfan94]

So I went to the best salary website on the net, capology.
They have updated numbers with everything accounted for.
PSG (4.2) are no more than 4th in total salaries, beaten by City (4,3), Bayern (5,3) and Real (5,2).

UEFA’s numbers >>>>> Capology’s estimates.

 

[Incubajerks]

I would like to point out that in France, in Ligue 1, those who have not been resident in France for at least 5 years on a net salary of 1 million euros pay taxes only on 700 thousand euros, the other 300 thousand are not included in the taxable income.

Without bothering with the tax regime of the Principality of Monaco, which is separate.

You will not read these things here...

 

[Evilo]

I would like to point out that in France, in Ligue 1, those who have not been resident in France for at least 5 years on a net salary of 1 million euros pay taxes only on 700 thousand euros, the other 300 thousand are not included in the taxable income.

Without bothering with the tax regime of the Principality of Monaco, which is separate.

You will not read these things here...

But you ignore the taxes on PSG itself. Way before the players get your money.
France is one of the most taxed countries in the world.
Something you won't read here while Italian teams have had exceptions for decades.

 

[Evilo]

And for those who say it's clearly a FK outside the box here is a nice still.
Remember the line is part of the box.

 

[hatterson]

For contact fouls, the foul is considered to have occurred where the bulk or significant part of the contact happened. That still image makes it look like the force of the contact is already over and there’s just some residual contact that happened potentially on the line.

Granted it’s hard to say much from a still image.

 

[Evilo]

UEFA’s numbers >>>>> Capology’s estimates.

Since I can't find the UEFA sources, I think Capology is pretty good.

 

[Evilo]

For contact fouls, the foul is considered to have occurred where the bulk or significant part of the contact happened. That still image makes it look like the force of the contact is already over and there’s just some residual contact that happened potentially on the line.

Granted it’s hard to say much from a still image.

Yeah my point was that it was hard to tell. Saying it's definitive like two posters said is really weird to me. It was very close either way.
Of course, any ref would have said FK instead of PK because of the red card. Except for Real Madrid obviously.

 

[koyvoo]

For contact fouls, the foul is considered to have occurred where the bulk or significant part of the contact happened. That still image makes it look like the force of the contact is already over and there’s just some residual contact that happened potentially on the line.

Granted it’s hard to say much from a still image.

It should have been a card, but contact was initiated three, four steps behind that still shot. That is showing the very end of the shove.

 

[hatterson]

It should have been a card, but contact was initiated three, four steps behind that still shot. That is showing the very end of the shove.

Yea I haven’t seen a replay to comment on if it’s a foul and red. Just noting that the still doesn’t show much, but the little it shows heavily implies it was outside of the box. So if that’s the best evidence for “it should have been a PK” then there isn’t much.

 

[Savant]

Yea I haven’t seen a replay to comment on if it’s a foul and red. Just noting that the still doesn’t show much, but the little it shows heavily implies it was outside of the box. So if that’s the best evidence for “it should have been a PK” then there isn’t much.

Also, as you know, Rio Ferdinand isn’t exactly going to be giving an unbiased opinion here

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Since I can't find the UEFA sources, I think Capology is pretty good.

The Transfermarkt ranking which has been cited in this conversation (and which differs from Capology) is directly sourced from UEFA.

 

[S E P H]

I actually think PSG has a chance. Despite being 1-0 up in the tie, Liverpool aren't gonna be as passive and defensive like in Paris. They'll move up, attack and press - and PSG has all the tools to counter them on their day.


Tie isn't quite done yet.

Hopefully that's the case and these jokes get kicked out of CL, but I have watched way too many matches at Anfield and yeah...they ain't winning. It's the best home field advantage in all of Europe atm.

 

[Evilo]

The Transfermarkt ranking which has been cited in this conversation (and which differs from Capology) is directly sourced from UEFA.

And I found it. From 2024. With Mbappe, Asensio, Kolo etc...