Proposal: CGY Re-tool

[*OvechKiN*]

Rasmus sounding like he wants to be the alpha dog by trading away all the competition without bringing any competitors back.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Wild aren't trading Brodin short of a 1c type back. Minnesota says no

Exactly why you aren't a GM. On what planet do you think a 27 year old defenseman who has never lived up to his draft slot is worth a number one center.

 

[qwerty]

To say nothing of the value of the deals in the OP or the Flames players, I find this to be an absolutely hilarious way to try to make your players sound better than they are. Especially the Hanifin one.

It’s true, I was going for a certain tone and had to maintain it, so I definitely had to reach for that one. Realistically, I could’ve said he’s a 23 year old defenseman on a sweetheart contract, who can skate and still has untapped offensive potential. I mean the fact that he was selected 5th overall ahead of Provorov, Werenski, Chabot and etc could mean there’s still some serious upside there.

 

[qwerty]

Exactly why you aren't a GM. On what planet do you think a 27 year old defenseman who has never lived up to his draft slot is worth a number one center.

Not to mention he has 1 year left before he becomes a UFA. Heck, there’s a thread just above that that was asking for a 2nd or 3rd from Adam Larsson. Brodin’s value at the moment is not equivalent to a #1 center. That’s the premier position of the NHL and almost always requires extreme overpayment.

 

[FerklundCGY]

Yet again it’s always Monahan’s fault... Lindholm was by far the most useless of the three at even strength during the playoffs yet he always escapes criticism. He also struggled against Colorado.

Monahan would be a much better fit for Hall than Copp could ever be.

Lindholm's girlfriend had a miscarriage before he came to the bubble (and then she had another miscarriage once he got home).

I think he gets a pass

 

[Fatass]

Love reading proposals like this, and appreciate the thought put into them. Sure these will never happen, but there’s lots to chew on as a fan, which is fun. If the Flames are trading Johnny, the Canucks (that’s me obviously) offer Virtanen, Gaudette, and Demko.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Go all in on Hall, try and make 2 first lines like Vegas, while also having a really solid 3rd line of Mange - Backlund/Bennett - Dube. Maybe trade for Domi instead but i think Bennett and Backlund will be fine as the 2 and 3C's for now (really want to see if Bennett can center the Tkachuk line).

Or start selling everything besides Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Dube, Tkachuk. Tank for Shane Wright in 2022, he put up better numbers than McDavid this year on a fairly weak team.

Where are we finding this cap space for Hall without moving Monahan or Gaudreau plus a bit more? And how do we improve our D that was arguably our biggest weakness in the post-season?

Hall-Monahan-Gaudreau
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Mang-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-Reider
Gio-Rasmus
Hanifin-_____
Valimaki Yelesin

_____
Rittich

leaves under 3 mil in space for a starting goalie, 2nd pair RD, and two rookies on the bottom-pair. With Gio regressing that d-core is truly awful

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Im literally okay with trading Monahan for a better C i don't care how much we add, but as long as we improve our team in the process

Name one better C that is available. Literally one. But ya just keep saying ‘move Monahan for a better C’ in every thread as if it’s remotely possible to find a true 1C on the market.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

I won’t completely annihilate your trade proposal like everyone else has in this thread.

But you can’t possibly believe that the tenth highest scoring forward since his arrival, along with a center who has scored more goals than anyone in his draft, the reigning Norris winner, the former 5th overall pick in quite possibly the future greatest draft class of all time and a young, dynamic, offensive defenseman is worth this?

Foudy, 10th, Copp, Gavrikov, Montour, Brodin?

I can almost guarantee you that Brad Treliving can get significantly, significantly, significantly more than this. I mean honestly, there’s talk of Montour not even being qualified by Buffalo, Brodin is 1 year away UFA and everyone else, while pretty good, none of them are guaranteed to be franchise players and for what the Flames are giving up, you’d better get several impact or franchise players in return.

I appreciate not tearing it to shreds but I honestly have to ask, do you believe Gaudreau Monahan Gio and Hanifin are that valuable or are you just hand-picking certain stats that vastly overestimate their value? You’re also ignoring the fact that this roster has the cap-space for Taylor Hall, who absolutely is an elite player and will replace Gaudreau. Gio is a former Norris winner for sure and was my favorite player as recently as last year, but his decline this year was terrifying. Our current D with Gio, Hanifin, Rasmus, and maybe Brodie is truly much much worse on the ice than people realize. As for Hanifin, using his draft status to validate his performance over the pst 5 seasons is a stretch. He struggles on the 2nd pair after 400+ NHL Games, and can’t play PP or PK. Gotta move him while his value is high. If you don’t think Gavrikov is better you didn’t watch enough of Columbus this year and playoffs. Foudy and the 10th overall are EXACTLY what we should be looking for right now, a high pick in a deep draft that will give us a legit shot at Lundell or Rossi and an ELC top-9 forward with unbelievable speed and a constant motor. The Gio for Montour trade is mainly to create cap space because Gio reallllly fell off a cliff this year. Maybe I’m being too hard on him but I think banking on Gio to stabilize a top-pair is a recipe for distaster.

I get the team looks worse on paper but if the success of the Islanders is any indication it is more about finding the right pieces for your system than it is about having a Gaudreau Monahan line that features ‘the highest scoring player from his draft and the 10th highest scoring forward’ who conveniently lose 5v5 matchups against most other good teams and are inept defensively, plus a former Norris winner and a #5 pick in a deep draft who can barely move the puck against a strong and fast forecheck like Vegas St Louis Dallas Colorado, i.e the actual good teams in the west

 

[Ainsy01]

worst ive seen in 5 years on HF

 

[qwerty]

I appreciate not tearing it to shreds but I honestly have to ask, do you believe Gaudreau Monahan Gio and Hanifin are that valuable or are you just hand-picking certain stats that vastly overestimate their value? You’re also ignoring the fact that this roster has the cap-space for Taylor Hall, who absolutely is an elite player and will replace Gaudreau. Gio is a former Norris winner for sure and was my favorite player as recently as last year, but his decline this year was terrifying. Our current D with Gio, Hanifin, Rasmus, and maybe Brodie is truly much much worse on the ice than people realize. As for Hanifin, using his draft status to validate his performance over the pst 5 seasons is a stretch. He struggles on the 2nd pair after 400+ NHL Games, and can’t play PP or PK. Gotta move him while his value is high. If you don’t think Gavrikov is better you didn’t watch enough of Columbus this year and playoffs. Foudy and the 10th overall are EXACTLY what we should be looking for right now, a high pick in a deep draft that will give us a legit shot at Lundell or Rossi and an ELC top-9 forward with unbelievable speed and a constant motor. The Gio for Montour trade is mainly to create cap space because Gio reallllly fell off a cliff this year. Maybe I’m being too hard on him but I think banking on Gio to stabilize a top-pair is a recipe for distaster.

I get the team looks worse on paper but if the success of the Islanders is any indication it is more about finding the right pieces for your system than it is about having a Gaudreau Monahan line that features ‘the highest scoring player from his draft and the 10th highest scoring forward’ who conveniently lose 5v5 matchups against most other good teams and are inept defensively, plus a former Norris winner and a #5 pick in a deep draft who can barely move the puck against a strong and fast forecheck like Vegas St Louis Dallas Colorado, i.e the actual good teams in the west

Listen, I don’t completely disagree with your premise, in fact, I agree with a lot of it. But, the biggest problem I have is the incredibly poor value you have put on the stars of this team. Based on what Duchene and Karlsson received just by themselves, there’s a basic standard that exists for trading star players and I don’t think any of your trades reach that value and I would hope Treliving has higher standards for his own guys.

Hall doesn’t count in this situation because the Flames would be signing him, not trading for him. Not that I’m even against signing him or the points you’ve made, the top line hasn’t gotten in done and moves are likely abound, but no way would I trade these guys for pennies on the dollar just to make a trade. The Flames still have to make the playoffs which they barely did this season and your suggested trades I don’t think helps them accomplish that initial goal.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Where are we finding this cap space for Hall without moving Monahan or Gaudreau plus a bit more? And how do we improve our D that was arguably our biggest weakness in the post-season?

Hall-Monahan-Gaudreau
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Mang-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-Reider
Gio-Rasmus
Hanifin-_____
Valimaki Yelesin

_____
Rittich

leaves under 3 mil in space for a starting goalie, 2nd pair RD, and two rookies on the bottom-pair. With Gio regressing that d-core is truly awful

How much qre you spending on Hall and Mangiapane?

Trade Ryan, promote Gawdin, where is Kylington?

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Listen, I don’t completely disagree with your premise, in fact, I agree with a lot of it. But, the biggest problem I have is the incredibly poor value you have put on the stars of this team. Based on what Duchene and Karlsson received just by themselves, there’s a basic standard that exists for trading star players and I don’t think any of your trades reach that value and I would hope Treliving has higher standards for his own guys.

Hall doesn’t count in this situation because the Flames would be signing him, not trading for him. Not that I’m even against signing him or the points you’ve made, the top line hasn’t gotten in done and moves are likely abound, but no way would I trade these guys for pennies on the dollar just to make a trade. The Flames still have to make the playoffs which they barely did this season and your suggested trades I don’t think helps them accomplish that initial goal.

That’s really fair then, I appreciate that. What returns are you looking at for Gaudreau and Monahan and/ or Hanifin?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Exactly why you aren't a GM. On what planet do you think a 27 year old defenseman who has never lived up to his draft slot is worth a number one center.

This is not correct.

 

[RasmusAndersson]

worst ive seen in 5 years on HF

Let me guess, you think we should only trade Monahan for an upgrade like Barkov or Eichel? It’s never gonna happen

 

[RasmusAndersson]

How much qre you spending on Hall and Mangiapane?

Trade Ryan, promote Gawdin, where is Kylington?

9 for Hall, 3 for Mang. Losing Ryan and Brodie without upgrading our D keeps us as a mediocre team. Also means we lose one of Mang Backlund or Dube in expansion draft. I don’t see the value in destroying our D depth (which was already mediocre this year and a huge factor we lost in round 1) unless we make other moves to make significant upgrades on our back end

 

[qwerty]

That’s really fair then, I appreciate that. What returns are you looking at for Gaudreau and Monahan and/ or Hanifin?

In my opinion, quality over quantity. The Flames are in win now mode and need elite pieces to compete against the best of the best in the West.

If Treliving needs to add, that’s fine. But as long as this team gets legitimate, NHL ready, first line talent who can get it done in the regular season and the playoffs.

If the Flames were healthy, I think they could’ve gone toe to toe against Dallas who have the potential to be Stanley Cup finalists this season. So this team isn’t that far off, they just need to tinker IMO.

 

[blankall]

In my opinion, quality over quantity. The Flames are in win now mode and need elite pieces to compete against the best of the best in the West.

If Treliving needs to add, that’s fine. But as long as this team gets legitimate, NHL ready, first line talent who can get it done in the regular season and the playoffs.

If the Flames were healthy, I think they could’ve gone toe to toe against Dallas who have the potential to be Stanley Cup finalists this season. So this team isn’t that far off, they just need to tinker IMO.

I think the Flames have work to do, but I agree they aren't as far off as people think. Adding Hall and a healthy M. Tkachuk against Dallas would have made the difference. The problem is that the book is out on the Johnny Flames. You double team him and the offence shuts down. The Flames get good depth scoring, but don't have enough top end scoring to take the pressure of Gaudreau. Another high end forward would not only add their own scoring, but stop opposing teams from focusing so much on Gaudreau.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Warning side effects from reading these proposals are brain damage, uncontrolled laughter, serious concussions caused by banging your head into a desk, death.

 

[blankall]

9 for Hall, 3 for Mang. Losing Ryan and Brodie without upgrading our D keeps us as a mediocre team. Also means we lose one of Mang Backlund or Dube in expansion draft. I don’t see the value in destroying our D depth (which was already mediocre this year and a huge factor we lost in round 1) unless we make other moves to make significant upgrades on our back end

Signings will take place after the expansion draft. Mangiapane and Dube will not be exposed. If Hall is signed, tough choices about Backlund/Ryan will have to be made. The defence core will also look pretty different next year no matter what. Hamonic out. Maybe Brodie too. Valimaki is likely to be penciled in at least for a #4/5 role, due to cap reasons.

Bennett will likely be given a larger role. I think we'll see one of Lindholm or Bennett moved back to centre.

 

[Ainsy01]

Let me guess, you think we should only trade Monahan for an upgrade like Barkov or Eichel? It’s never gonna happen

haha thats exactly what i think actually. Eichel or keep him. simple as that

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

9 for Hall, 3 for Mang. Losing Ryan and Brodie without upgrading our D keeps us as a mediocre team. Also means we lose one of Mang Backlund or Dube in expansion draft. I don’t see the value in destroying our D depth (which was already mediocre this year and a huge factor we lost in round 1) unless we make other moves to make significant upgrades on our back end

Highly doubt Hall get's 9M at this point, Mange can probably be bridged again for less. As for expansion I think Backlund might get exposed regardless and with lack of center depth available for Seattle, they would probably take him. Adding Valimaki to the roster next year should help mitigate the defense we loose this year fairly well too. I find it odd that who can consider the idea of signing a top end UFA to go all out unrealistic but your trade threads not.